dangit, I wondered if I had that backwards, but not important given that he (and I) use DPMS :) Also I should mention Shadow Ops has in stock and ready to ship 16" 308 barrels for $209, but I have no idea on real quality as they are a new product. http://www.shadowopsweaponry.com/products/311-308-16-762-nato308-ar-barrel.aspx I'm planning on getting one to test out, as I've been wanting to dump my 20" barrel for a 16 anyhow.