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Some people's rock bottom is a lot further shepp. lol

Yeah I am not thinking penetration is it's strength. lol.

I go streamlight. I used to carry surefires when the military provided me with batteries, but a nice rechargeable streamlight is my light of choice. "A real man needs a flashlight." haha freaking awesome, love it.

I call bullpoopy. lol. off the top of my head, I can think of 8 deer I have shot that have ran up hill instead of taking the easy way downhill. I'm sure there are probably more. and I am not talking about some little Illinois flat landed hill. I'm talking about several hundred feet in elevation. I claim this to be a myth

I'm gonna say, man vs beast is two different things. One thing I was taught in the academy was that we see people get shot in movies and video games all the time and things are over exaggerated. Rounds making you fly backwards or instantly killing you. We see this so much that it transfers into our brains. So when a lot of people really do get shot, they act how they see it. Basically their perception of what they think will happen causes it to happen, and the body and mind gives up. That's why we are taught to fight through it everything and never give up. Trooper Trevor Casper who died 2 and 1/2 years ago fought through it. He was shot in the neck, chest, and left hand; yet he still managed to take down the man who mortally wounded him. In Afghanistan, I saw an insurgent shot 15 times (actually hit that many times, not just shot at 15 times) with 5.56, and he was still running. Doubt he ever watched movies or played video games. The only thing he probably knew was fight hard and don't stop until he sees his 70 virgins. Now lets apply this to deer... yeah I don't think deer watch movies or play video games. All they know is survival and if they give up they are dead for sure. and not just from humans, but from wolves, mountain lions, and even other predators such as coyotes that I have seen wound deer. Using my dad as an example, I have seen him shoot a deer 5 times with 220 grain .30-06 bullets. Don't jump on me for this, yeah I know, clean shots. My dad was always more of the just keep shooting type of guy. But anyways, after 4 shots to the body of this deer, it was still going. The 5th shot hit the spine and the deer was still going just dragging its back end. Now I think the rounds my dad were using were a bit overpowered for whitetails. But this past season opening morning I shot a doe at 60 yards with 160gr .30-60 rounds. One shot and she jumped up like she could fly and then ran over the hill where I couldn't see her about 100 yards away. 30 minutes later a small buck a little younger than the doe stood 20 feet from where I had shot the doe. Same broadside shot. One shot and he dropped like a rock, didn't even take a single step. What I noticed about the doe when I found her was, her chest cavity looked like mush. I even told my buddy that I wished he had brought a soup ladle. Heart was pulverized, lungs were demolished, and basically ever other vital organ was obliterated in her chest. Was the biggest mess and the most work I have ever had gutting a deer, AND SHE STILL RAN 100 YARDS! The little buck was the opposite. Though he dropped without a step, he was only lung shot through both lungs and everything was still pretty intact inside him. Now maybe there is more clinical of a reason between how the two deer reacted, but I have to say, I think the older doe just had more drive to survive unlike the younger buck who hadn't seen much life. I have noticed on several occasions that older ones just seem to put up more of a fight and go farther. And many of us have seen deer with old gunshot wounds or even broad heads still inside them. So in summary of my rant: Deer and humans are two very different animals. The will to live is much stronger than most realize. And most rounds, whether it be .243, 300blk, 5.56, 7.62x39, 25-45 sharps, or most other hunting/home defense calibers will take deer (or whatever else) most of the time, but that small percentage when you shoot the monster and it gets away with a well placed shot, you might be seeing things my way. ;)

We can't always follow this or we would all be single.

I'm not trying to take credit away from the cartridge. I'm just sad about the one that got away from me with .243 with a 100 yard shot through both lungs. I have no doubt that 300blk could take deer at 200 yards, but it could be the one big tough son of a bambi's dad that gets away at far less than that with a very reasonable shot that I would hate. I do think it would be the perfect gun for thick woods and brush though. Would love for you to prove me worries wrong in the field though. ;)

One thing I want to point out, white tails in the north are usually a lot bigger bodied than white tails in the south due to our colder climate. And not saying that the round can't kill at farther distances, a well placed .22LR can. personally I wouldn't use it past 100yards

I'll hold you to that. ;) You would still take the bait. lol.

The $25 knife I bought from the union which sells some merchandise in order to raise money. But all my uniforms, belt gear, and basically anything else is issued by the state. only thing I put money into is shaving, haircuts, and an organizer for my car. but I can write those things off on my taxes if I even end up with enough to write off. The down side about my agency is getting gear approved if we have purchased it ourselves is really hard. we can't do anything useful to our firearms, and we can't use our own. (except a secondary pistol). And we have to be very uniform to each other.

I'm a 9mm fan myself. .357 in revolver though.

I would say I agree with the article based on my research. I have never owned a .300 blackout but have looked into it a lot and I don't believe I would take a shot at a whitetail with it past 100 yards. But that's double what I would take at a whitetail with a good .223 hunting bullet. But here is something to spark some interest that I haven't seen many talk about. http://6mmar.com/30_ARX.php

Anyone else notice the girth on that receiver? probably has to be as thick as possible to take the pressure of that mammoth round.

I am a bit tired after work and I thought the title of this thread was Hotwench... I'm a bit disappointed to not find any pictures of hot naked or half naked women. Guess I'll just have to refer back to the tractor thread. Welcome though to the forum.

Haha. Yeah, I'm rough on everything, so I don't like to buy expensive things unless expensive means indestructible. When I graduated the academy, I got myself a citizen titanium watch and I wear it every day. It wasn't cheap, but man does it hold up to everything. Not even a scratch in it. and I don't even have to change the battery or set the watch ever! So until I find a knife that I basically never have to clean or sharpen and I can throw it at things just for the fun of it without worrying about damage, I don't see me spending over $100 on a knife. Maybe I am just cheap. lol.

I agree with Magwa. If Wisconsin ever started that sh1t, I would move in a heartbeat. California and a few other states would not be able to protect themselves from their government, which is the whole reason for having the 2nd amendment. The are just a bunch of sheep chewing their cud until time of slaughter.

Years ago, bushmaster made good rifles in my opinion, around the time you started seeing them in gander mountains is about the time quality went down from what I could tell. My cousin who was into them at one point gave me the reason for the decline, but it escapes me now.

Need us to say the negative things about them for you? I'm sure many of us would be happy to. lol.

Makes the Wisconsin State Patrol knives look like $25 knives... oh wait, they are. :( oh well, good for uses on the road.

While I was in Afghanistan, my wife worked for a small reloading company that mainly specialized in 5.7x28 armor piercing and other specialty rounds. My wife mainly worked with 9mm though while at the company and made and tested her own loads. She shot more than me while I was off at war. haha. Although I got to say, my wife doesn't have a sexy accent like this girl.

lol. I wouldn't take a deer with that much damage. passed up on a bear that was hit by a semi. Most everything hit on the interstate is obliterated also.

I'm not sure I'm gonna buy meat in bulk. I got a deer in my garage that was hit near my house. the good thing about being a cop is I get to call dibs on the deer if the person that hit it doesn't want it. lol. I think I am going to start doing this more. free meat is awesome! And already tenderized. lol.

haha that was awesome and definitely a good lesson for kids and parents

lol. yup. and still funny

lol. I like the snow for about a week, but I still have wood to cut and stack and walls to put up on my wood shed. to much work to do and snow only makes it more difficult.