thanks dpete, the cases weren't cleaned up when i got them. couple hours in water and lemmi-shine, water came out that greenish brass look, brass looked like new. will try the water soluble size lube. maybe try a little more dawn, i did use hot water. i want to say depete the 30-06 brass you sent me,i had to throw only two pieces out both had split necks. was exellent box of brass. thanks for info