BLKSHEEP Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 That's right, the ATF ruled it to be an SBR if attached to a lower receiver. Now for the good news..... the 308AR can cannon is in production.
98Z5V Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 (edited) Awesome.Not finding anything about this in an open search. Nothing. Zero References. EDIT - Just found it on WEVO and ARF...http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?8312-Can-Cannon-ruled-NFA-item.https://www.ar15.com/mobile/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1790231Cannot find it on X-Products webpage...EDIT #2. Oh shiit - they put it on their FB Page...https://www.facebook.com/xproductsllc?fref=nf Edited September 22, 2015 by 98Z5V
blue109 Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 That's gayer than 8 guys Fucking 9 guys.
98Z5V Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 The end of the "barrel" is internally threaded, and there's an allen bolt in it. Stops any "forward" direction of the blast from the BLANK AMMUNITION, and directs it outward, through the side ports in the barrel. Looks like I need to weld the allen bolt in place, and I'll be good.So, not to mention HOW many ways this does not fit the classification for a Short Barreled Rifle, but...* It fires BLANK AMMUNITION...* It doesn't have a rifled barrel - it's a smooth-bore...* It's not firing a projectile contained in a cartridge... The list goes on...
98Z5V Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 I'm just gonna go ahead and incriminate a certain board member right now. Even though this happened BEFORE their newest determination... LMAO..
98Z5V Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Might as well incriminate myself, while we're at it. One Man Skeet. Fuk it...
slugger43 Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Can you imagine how much safer I feel now that there is a formal determination on this dangerous can-launching, smooth-bore, blank-using, looks like a fun thing to play with device by our heroes at BATFE? So glad my government took care of another serious problem. Nice prioritization of tax expenditures, you assholez!
MikedaddyH Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Hmmmm , I wonder if a tennis ball cannon is different from a can cannon ? It does shoot a soft projectile !Serious fucking question ! That would make a different !
98Z5V Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 The ATF FIRST fucked themselves on this "determination" by the very legal definition that they say is "What are "firearms" under the NFA?":This is their "Rifle" definition:2.1.3Rifle. A rifle is a firearm designed to be fired from the shoulder and designed to use the energy of an explosive in a fixed cartridge tofire only a single projectile through a rifled barrel for each single pullof the trigger.11A rifle subject to the NFA has a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length. Contained here, right on their website - I've saved a copy, right now, in case they wanna change it overnight...
sketch Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 So atf is gonna regulate my can consumption and add tax! Thats chicken shits! Haha its been done before slackers?
98Z5V Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Here it is: atf-p-5320-8-chapter-2.pdf
MikedaddyH Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 I think its more like a shotgun.Smooth bore.I think we should modify it , an 18.5" barrel should unfuck the can cannon and skirt around the rules !
98Z5V Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 ATFs website has suddenly become ALOT more confusing... I'm just throwing that out there. I haven't been on it in awhile, but it's pretty damn difficult to find information - that was readily available in the past - right now. Right now, it's tough to even find their definition of "Short Barreled Rifle..."
slugger43 Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 So atf is gonna regulate my can consumption and add tax! Thats chicken shits! Haha its been done before slackers?Hey Sketch, this oughta put a wrinkle in your Seahawks flag......it's worse than that. Do ya think Seattle will apply their ammo tax to your can supply?Go Hawks!
98Z5V Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Molon Labe... Come get it, but back yourself with the law. It's not even fitting the definition of a "Rifle," so it can't EVEN fall into the "Short Barreled Rifle" category...It's not a Destructive Device ("DD"), because it doesn't fire an explosive...Come get it. Let's see how this shakes out in court, bitches.
MikedaddyH Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 (edited) AR pistol lower should be gtg. So should a SBR'ed lower. Edited September 22, 2015 by MikedaddyH auto correct sucks !
MikedaddyH Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Defiantly not DD ! More like a muzzle loader !
98Z5V Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Fuk that - they're ALL good to go. ALL Can Cannons... If they can't even meet the definition of "Rifle" in the first place, then they're not even "Rifles." They CERTAINLY can't meet the definition of "Short Barreled Rifle..."Since they're not even "Rifles" in the first place...
MikedaddyH Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Time to get the golf ball launcher... Quick !
sketch Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Hey Sketch, this oughta put a wrinkle in your Seahawks flag......it's worse than that. Do ya think Seattle will apply their ammo tax to your can supply?Go Hawks!GO HAWKS! Hell no i cant stand the traffic here why whould i go to seattle?
MikedaddyH Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 (edited) Some bonehead at the BAFTE had some crazy idea that one could launch an explosive in a can like a grenade. Some of these MF'ers want to get ahead of the curve ! Edited September 22, 2015 by MikedaddyH
jtallen83 Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Damn, I knew I should have bought one already, now the prices are going to shoot up and they'll fly off the shelves.
planeflyer21 Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 "Energy of an explosive" would seem to be contrary to BATF's definition of a propellant.2.1.3Rifle. A rifle is a firearm designed to be fired from the shoulder and designed to use the energy of an explosive in a fixed cartridge tofire only a single projectile through a rifled barrel for each single pullof the trigger.11A rifle subject to the NFA has a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length.
shepp Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 (edited) Idk who this fat Viking is but I know he says "fornicate them and their silly rules!!" PS: it feels like the ATF is composed of a bunch of tight ass'd pricks who were bullied as children Edited September 22, 2015 by shepp
blue109 Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 PS: it feels like the US government is composed of a bunch of tight ass'd pricks who were bullied as childrenFIFY
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