98Z5V Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 http://www.wilsoncombat.com/762x40wt.htm The Practical .30 Cal. AR-15 Solution Available now from Wilson Combat - The 7.62x40 WT (Wilson Tactical) is an all new powerful .30 caliber cartridge solution for the standard AR-15 rifle platform that is inherently accurate, low recoil and only requires one unique part - a new barrel. The 7.62x40 WT works with all other standard pattern 5.56 AR components and is completely reliable with the new Lancer® L5 AWM magazines as modified by Wilson Combat. Ideal for Hunting and Tactical Use The wide range of available .30 caliber hunting bullets makes the 7.62x40 WT an ideal choice for hunting of medium to large size game with the downrange ballistic performance only a .30 Caliber projectile can deliver. Experienced shooters will be pleased by the match grade accuracy and terminal effectiveness and energy easily exceeding the 7.62x39 Russian, while novice shooters will appreciate the mild recoil and low report. Tactical shooters looking for a hard hitting, fast handling, practical .30 Caliber AR-15 service carbine will find the 7.62x40 WT a viable alternative to the 5.56x45 for self defense and law enforcement applications. With 18/19 or 28/29 round capacity using Wilson Combat modified Lancer® L5 AWM 5.56 magazines, maximum firepower is retained. Components, Loaded Ammunition and Complete Guns The 7.62x40 WT cartridge is based on a standard Lake City 5.56x45 NATO/.223 cartridge case that goes through a simple shortening and reforming operation to achieve appropriate cartridge dimensions. Wilson Combat has reloading dies, case gages, cartridge cases, handload data and a variety of loaded ammunition to fully support this caliber. A complete lineup of Wilson Combat 7.62x40 WT rifles, uppers and match-grade barrels are also available now. Ballistic Performance Comparison: 7.62x40 WT (16” Barrel) 110 gr: 2450 FPS Muzzle Velocity and 1466 Foot Pounds of Energy 125 gr: 2400 FPS Muzzle Velocity and 1599 Foot Pounds of Energy 150 gr: 2200 FPS Muzzle Velocity and 1612 Foot Pounds of Energy 5.56 Nato (16” Barrel) 55 gr: 3150 FPS Muzzle Velocity and 1212 Foot Pounds of Energy 62 gr: 3000 FPS Muzzle Velocity and 1239 Foot Pounds of Energy 77 gr: 2750 FPS Muzzle Velocity and 1293 Foot Pounds of Energy 7.62x39 (16” Barrel) 123 gr: 2320 FPS Muzzle Velocity and 1470 Foot Pounds of Energy 6.8 SPC (16” Barrel) 110 gr: 2550 FPS Muzzle Velocity and 1594 Foot Pounds of Energy 300 BLACKOUT (16” Barrel) 125 gr: 2275 FPS Muzzle Velocity and 1436 Foot Pounds of Energy NOTE for Handloaders: Once a 7.62x40 WT case has been fired once it will be fire- formed and provide approximately 1 gr. additional powder capacity and the potential for approximately 25-50 FPS more velocity at comparable pressure levels. Trajectory and Remaining Velocity: 125 gr. Nosler Ballistic Hunter, 2375 FPS MV, Zero range 175 yards 100 yds +1.7” 2156 FPS 150 yds +1.1” 2052 FPS 200 yds -1.6” 1951 FPS 250 yds -6.6” 1854 FPS Available Wilson Combat® Rifle Models SBR Tactical Model, 11.3" Forged 7075 Upper (Flat Top) and Lower Receiver Wilson Combat SBR Tactical Match Grade Barrel with 6 Groove / 1:12 Twist (Conventional or Polygonal Rifling) or Noveske Polygonal 1:11 Twist Carbine Length Gas System with Lo-Profile Gas Block Threaded Muzzle (5/8 x 24) with Accu-Tac Flash Hider Wilson Combat T.R.I.M. Rail - 10.4" Ergo Pistol Grip Wilson Combat Tactical Triggerguard Rogers/Wilson Super-Stoc Wilson Combat TTU (Tactical Trigger Unit) Single Stage, 4# Premium Mil-Spec Bolt and Bolt Carrier, MP Inspected, NP3 Coated Mil-Spec Hard Anodize Finish on Upper / Lower Receivers Armor-Tuff® Finish 20 Round Modified Lancer L5 AWM Magazine Recon Tactical Model, 16" Forged 7075 Upper (Flat Top) and Lower Receiver Wilson Combat Recon Tactical Match Grade Barrel with 6 Groove / 1:12 Twist (Conventional or Polygonal Rifling) or Noveske Polygonal 1:11 Twist Carbine Length Gas System with Lo-Profile Gas Block Threaded Muzzle (5/8 x 24) with Accu-Tac Flash Hider Wilson Combat T.R.I.M. Rail - 9.3" Ergo Pistol Grip Wilson Combat Tactical Triggerguard Rogers/Wilson Super-Stoc Wilson Combat TTU (Tactical Trigger Unit) Single Stage, 4# Premium Mil-Spec Bolt and Bolt Carrier, MP Inspected, NP3 Coated Mil-Spec Hard Anodize Finish on Upper / Lower Receivers Armor-Tuff® Finish 20 Round Modified Lancer L5 AWM Magazine Tactical Hunter Model, 18" or 20" Forged 7075 Upper (Flat Top) and Lower Receiver Wilson Combat Tactical Hunter Match Grade Barrel with 6 Groove / 1:12 Twist (Conventional or Polygonal Rifling) or Noveske Polygonal 1:11 Twist Mid Length Gas System with Lo-Profile Gas Block 18" or 20" with Crowned Muzzle or 18" with Threaded Muzzle (5/8 x 24) with Accu-Tac Flash Hider Wilson Combat T.R.I.M. Rail - 10.4" on 18" Barrels, 12.6" on 20" Barrels Ergo Pistol Grip Wilson Combat Tactical Triggerguard Rogers/Wilson Super-Stoc Wilson Combat TTU (Tactical Trigger Unit) Two-Stage, 4# Premium Mil-Spec Bolt and Bolt Carrier, MP Inspected, NP3 Coated Mil-Spec Hard Anodize Finish on Upper / Lower Receivers Armor-Tuff® Finish 20 Round Modified Lancer L5 AWM Magazine Back to Top 7.62x40 WT Handload Data 110gr Sierra Hollow Point 21gr Hodgdon H110 Lake City formed case Remington 7 ½ 2.110” OAL 110gr Barnes TTSX 21gr Hodgdon H110 (16” barrels or shorter) Lake City formed case Remington 7 ½ 2.250” OAL 110gr Barnes TTSX 25gr Accurate 1680 (16” barrels or longer) Lake City formed case Remington 7 ½ 2.250” OAL 125gr Sierra Pro Hunter 25.5gr Accurate 1680 Lake City formed case Remington 7 ½ 2.160” OAL 125gr Speer TNT 25.5gr Accurate 1680 Lake City formed case Remington 7 ½ 2.250” OAL 125gr Nosler Ballistic Hunter 25gr Accurate 1680 Lake City formed case Remington 7 ½ 2.250” OAL These loads have proven to be safe in our test guns, but as with all handload data we suggest you start with a 10% reduction in powder charge weight. Wilson Combat assumes no liability for the use or misuse of this information, use at your own risk. Back to Top 7.62x40 WT Project Available Products Barrels Match Grade Barrel, 7.62x40 WT, SBR Tactical, 11.3", Stainless Match Grade Barrel, 7.62x40 WT, Recon Tactical, 16", Stainless Match Grade Barrel, 7.62x40 WT, Recon Tactical, 16", Stainless, Fluted Match Grade Barrel, 7.62x40 WT, Tactical Hunter, 18", Stainless, Non-Threaded Match Grade Barrel, 7.62x40 WT, Tactical Hunter, 18", Stainless Match Grade Barrel, 7.62x40 WT, Tactical Hunter, 20", Stainless, Non-Threaded Ammunition 7.62x40 WT | 110 gr. Sierra HP, 2425 FPS - 16" Barrel, 20/Box 7.62x40 WT | 110 gr. Barnes TTSX, 2400 FPS - 16" Barrel, 20/Box 7.62x40 WT | 125 gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip, 2350 FPS - 16" Barrel, 20/Box 7.62x40 WT | 125 gr. Sierra Pro-Hunter, 2350 FPS - 16" Barrel, 20/Box 7.62x40 WT | 125 gr. Speer TNT, 2400 FPS - 16" Barrel, 20/Box Reloading Hornady Custom Grade New Dimension 2-Die Set, 7.62x40 WT Cartridge Gauge, 7.62x40 WT Brass, 7.62x40 WT, Unprimed, 100/Bag Brass, 7.62x40 WT, Unprimed, Once Fired, 100/Bag Magazines AR Style Magazine, 7.62x40 WT, 20 Round, Polymer | Lancer L5 AWM AR Style Magazine, 7.62x40 WT, 30 Round, Polymer | Lancer L5 AWM Complete Upper Assemblies Complete Upper Assembly, 7.62x40 WT, SBR Tactical, 11.3" Complete Upper Assembly, 7.62x40 WT, Recon Tactical, 16" Complete Upper Assembly, 7.62x40 WT, Recon Tactical, 16", Fluted Complete Upper Assembly, 7.62x40 WT, Tactical Hunter, 18" Complete Upper Assembly, 7.62x40 WT, Tactical Hunter, 18", Non-Threaded Complete Upper Assembly, 7.62x40 WT, Tactical Hunter, 20" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgecrusher Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 interesting. so many variations and caliber choices off the .30 cal. it's too bad that here in mass i don't really have a reason to buy it. it can't rifle hunt, unless it's bear, and i can't buy high cap mags or ammo through the mail, and haven't seen that caliber in the local shop. 7.62x39 is the more logical choice for me, just for availability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jgun Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 I had not heard of this cal before reading this post, Not that I really keep myself up to date on these things. It sounds as though the 7.62 X 40 Wilson is very similar to the 300 Blackout which is 7.62 X 35. While cutting down my .223 brass to make 300 brass, I noticed that it could actually be cut down slightly longer while still using the .223 brass. Obviously the extra powder capacity in order to get greater velocity is a good thing. The only question for me is wether that small performance advantage is worth the added trouble and expense of having to have modified Lancer mags in order to accomidate the added cartridge length? I kind of like the ability to use the same mags for .223 and 300. The same thing applies to my .308's I don't have any Armalite platform .308's because I don't wish to have to have twice as many mags to shoot both KAC platform and Armalite platform guns. Have any members tried this cartridge? I'd be interested to know how the extra FPS over the 300 Blackout translates into real world performance in range and loger distance accuracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkbow Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 it is quite a bit different than the 300 BLK, I have both of them, the 300 blk is geared towards subsonic suppressed performance, the 7.62x40WT is geared towards supersonic performance using .308 bullets in a reformed 5.56 case, which basically you trim off the neck and run it through their dies.Barnes has now also specifically made a 110gr TTSX bullet for it that will expand at lower velocities, making this a great medium sized game caliber like deer. I know Bill has taken a bunch of hogs and deer with it. I set mine up with a PVS-14, 3x Magnifier and an Eotech EXPS3-0 for hogs, just waiting on the paperwork to suppress it: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Very nice brother elkbow. <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkbow Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 thanks, i ordered a Wilson Whisper suppressor in 7.62, which will mate up close to the end of the forearm, so the overall length will be similar to a 18" barrel rifle. That upper is a 14.7" barrel with pinned on brake/suppressor mount, not that I plan on shooting it subsonic, but will knock down the sound and can use the suppressor on my 300 BLK and the 6.8 BSP (Bison subsonic platform, 1:7 twist shooting 200gr Woodleigh bullets) and of course my other 6.8's, POF .308, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgecrusher Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 cool digs, it's a very different set up then we've seen lately. <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted February 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 ...and the 6.8 BSP (Bison subsonic platform, 1:7 twist shooting 200gr Woodleigh bullets) Very interested in this one, if you can take the time to post it's details. <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkbow Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 well, it is interesting, Ben Triplett who owns Bison did something others thought about, and that was making a 6.8 in to a subsonic platform. So when you think abut subsonic, you just need to push a heavier bullet at subsonic speeds, which is generally 1050fps for most locations (elevation, humidity, etc.), well heck you don't even have to push a heavier bullet, but if you want to hunt with it, the heavier the better.As you know, in order to stabilize those bullets, the twist rate has to be right (even though twist rate sometimes is misunderstood as far as stability goes). The only other gun in the AR platform that can reliably cycle the round is the 300 Blackout. The Blackout is a shortened version of the .223 case and generally shoots a 240 grain bullet, usually the SMK, not make for subsonic purposes and doesn't expand well. The other problem with the Blackout, not really impressive speeds supersonic due to the limited case capacity. Currently the Blackout barrels are 1:8 twist, however chatting online with AAC, looks like they will be switching to 1:7 twist here shortly.So, now comes in to play the 6.8 BSP. Ben made a 1:7 twist barrel that will shoot almost any of the 6.8's .277 bullets supersonic, and yet will handle the 200gr bullet that is being custom made by Woodleigh bullets. And, will cycle both supersonic and subsonic, suppressed or unsuppressed.A bold move from Ben, but I think a great one. I'm waiting on the bullets to come in, already built a 16" upper.So how does it work....ah, thought you would ask:Subsonic Suppressed: Subsonic Suppressed full-auto: Supersonic Suppressed full-auto: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkey Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 I like the concept and it's a very nice looking rifle but then I checked for availability of ammo and wow. $40 for 20 rounds. I also checked around and Wilson seems to be practically the only manufacturer after a short, semi-superficial search. I just picked up an Armalite M15 carbine in 7.62x39 for my wife a few months ago and after a little tweaking on the mags, it's a serious tack driver and even buying brass ammo for it is a breeze since I don't prefer steel cases through my Armalites. I've found that as long as you only load 25 rounds in the 30 round mags, you can run fast and hard all day without a hiccup. You CAN do 30 but if you are going to have a failure, it is normally going to occur when you go with the full load. It's a really nice thought and probably an outstanding rifle but for the "avid" shooter and enthusiast, it's a bit on the exotic and expensive side IMO... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKGUY Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 I would think that like most wildcatters the people that shoot these calibers will try and cut down the cost by RELOADING there own rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 I have a 300Blk, eating 110-125gr rounds. I'll keep shooting it as long as the ammo stays reasonable. It's too easy to get brass and proj's. Working on another 7.62x39 upper (going ape-shit on this build) for just all around FTW and plinking. $200 for 1,000 rounds of "Red Army" surplus ammo. Can't beat that price. I think it's even cheaper than .22lr right now Ok, not quite... My LGS had 525 round bulk packs of .22lr for $60... That's $0.11 per round vs the $0.20 for the x39 round. Pretty damned close! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted February 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 I like the concept and it's a very nice looking rifle but then I checked for availability of ammo and wow. $40 for 20 rounds. I also checked around and Wilson seems to be practically the only manufacturer after a short, semi-superficial search. 300 BLK ammo is pretty much up there, too, man. I saw three different varieties last night at the store - Barnes 110 TTSX blacktip was on sale for $25 a box/20. Rem 125gr OTM Premier Match was $30 box/20, and Hornady 110 AMAX was $33 box/20. The factory loaded ammo for these two calibers is always going to be up there. One of these days, the Rem UMC 115gr plinking ammo will actually be available... I hope... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkey Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Availability of ammo is always a big factor for me when choosing weapons since I'm not a re-loader (yet). The 7.62x40 looks nice at first glance and is a great concept and possibly even a great round but when you think back to the ammo drought not too long ago, trying to find 300blk or 6.8SPC was like hunting for dinosaur teeth at a delicatessen. These are factors I take into consideration with all purchases from now on. Even if it may not be PERFECT. If it is common enough to get my hands on quickly and relatively cheaply, it has now become a bigger option than choosing something more pigeon-holed even if it's not the absolute best option for the niche. I think getting a little TOO finely tuned could be more detrimental than going with what WILL work. Perhaps if the X40 takes off and is suddenly a big round made by numerous manufacturers and widely available, I will see things differently but for me, I'll take availability over "the perfect" choice all day at this point in our country's constantly evolving situations. Still though, if I had the greenage to buy the rifle(s) and a few thousand rounds of ammo up front, I might also see it differently. It's a nice piece indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKGUY Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 it is quite a bit different than the 300 BLK, I have both of them, the 300 blk is geared towards subsonic suppressed performance, the 7.62x40WT is geared towards supersonic performance using .308 bullets in a reformed 5.56 case, which basically you trim off the neck and run it through their dies. Barnes has now also specifically made a 110gr TTSX bullet for it that will expand at lower velocities, making this a great medium sized game caliber like deer. I know Bill has taken a bunch of hogs and deer with it. I set mine up with a PVS-14, 3x Magnifier and an Eotech EXPS3-0 for hogs, just waiting on the paperwork to suppress it: I would like to know where to buy that high $ rifle stand if the price is right I might just pick up 2 or 3 of them, dang that's sweet! Great looking rifle too>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Didn't you know? That fancy rifle stand is the next big thing in the shooting community. I thought that we all had a couple of them in our collections? You better get yourself one before they can't be found anymore. I'm hearing rumors that they're gonna be banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted February 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) I'm hearing rumors that they're gonna be banned. Only in CA, NY, CT, MA, NJ, and Chicago. DC is undecided. Everyone else is safe - they just call it "cardboard box," and not "assault weapons brandishing implement..." <lmao> Based soley on that picture, the Granola-Heads in Colorado did away with cardboard altogether. <dontknow> Edited February 17, 2014 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Oh....don't count my great state of MD out of it too soon my man. You know that they love doing knee-jerk reactions here too. Never let a good crisis pass you by. After all.............................it's for the children. damn.........gotta find some more hot-glued fiber-board (tactical) containment vessels before they go by the wayside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted February 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Oh....don't count my great state of MD out of it too soon my man. Your politicians are soooo damn stupid, they didn't even know cardboard was in your state to begin with... Not my fault, bro... <dontknow> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 You're right. They didn't. But they won't rest until they make sure that all of the cardboard is regulated through the state police. The tactical evil, scary, tactical cardboard that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkey Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) For you guys in dire need, I'll be selling some ideal "rifle stand cardboard boxes" at bargain prices in the clubhouse. They are even already their own shipping container so I'm thinking $49.95 per and I'll take the hit on the shipping. Act fast before your states makes you get a permit to purchase. These are "un-serialized" boxes so buy a bunch. I'll even drop the price to $45.95 for orders of 18 or more.... Edited February 17, 2014 by Sharkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I suppose you will charge a premium for the "Mark 2 Mod 6 all weather waxed cardboard rifle stand"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Not to totally move this thread off topic, but this is a picture of my invention for a combination pistol case and shooting rest. I am taking orders. Also useful if your range has no facilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkey Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 (edited) I suppose you will charge a premium for the "Mark 2 Mod 6 all weather waxed cardboard rifle stand"? No. But there WILL be an accessory pack available that will contain a can of turtle wax and a rag.... at standard accessory pack prices of course... >:D Edited February 18, 2014 by Sharkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Does it come in anything other than tactical "cardboard" brown? <laughs> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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