what receiver set?

[survivalshop]

  I vote for a MagPul MOE Rifle stock , I will never install another A2 , the MOE is by far a better stock . I will be replacing the A2 on my 20" with a MOE .

  I thought the KNS pins were more then $6 , but I don't use them , but they are nice if you want to use them .

[washguy]

Blue I got one (a2) on my blackout

Twang twang twang.....that sound lets ya know theres another round in the chamber.  Lol.      Wash

[mineralman55]

10 hours ago, survivalshop said:

  I vote for a MagPul MOE Rifle stock , I will never install another A2 , the MOE is by far a better stock . I will be replacing the A2 on my 20" with a MOE .

+1 on that. They are so good they are invisible. they just plain work.

[EngrBob]

Here is an MOE on my 6.5 Creedmore build.

 

[survivalshop]

Magpul MOE on my 18" 308  

 

 

[308lrnewb]

Why skip the heavy buffer? The MOE rifle stock is nice. I agree so much, however it lacks a standard sling swivel in the bottom and requires obnoxious amounts of additional cost to mount a moe rail and 1913 sling attachment.

Remember, I am using a Rhodesian sling from Andy's Leather.

Any reason to skip the one piece ring? I thought they offered improved sealing.

[slugger43]

17 hours ago, blue109 said:

Ignore the haters...A2 stocks are awesome ( I prefer A1), but I'd skip the Heavy buffer And just run standard.  I'd probably skip the one piece rings and just use what comes on the bolt.

+1 on no one-piece rings.  My BCG issues were solved by getting away from that and going to a rubber city BCG.  Did that at the advice of Mega, who also said they do not recommend one-piece rings.  Not sure exactly why, but the RCA  bcg got me up and running super.

[survivalshop]

4 hours ago, 308lrnewb said:

Why skip the heavy buffer? The MOE rifle stock is nice. I agree so much, however it lacks a standard sling swivel in the bottom and requires obnoxious amounts of additional cost to mount a moe rail and 1913 sling attachment.

Remember, I am using a Rhodesian sling from Andy's Leather.

Any reason to skip the one piece ring? I thought they offered improved sealing.

  The rifle 308 Buffer is heavy enough .

   There are so many ways of attachment of a sling on the MOE , far more then an A2 . I don't understand why you can't use the one thats on the MOE stock . The sling loop around the stock will just be a little shorter . But hay go for the A2 , the MOE is much more comfortable , has a better check weld area , the Rubber Butt Pad swings open for larger area for storage . 

[washguy]

As Survival said....ar308 buffer is all ya need...    Wash

[308lrnewb]

Well, I am unsure how well the leather sling will function on that goofy sling mount built in to the MOE is all. Avoid one piece-gotcha.

I was told the heavy buffer would help control things and improve dwell, decreasing risk of a case blowout. Am going to be throwing hot hand loads.

The A2 has a standard swivel in it. I want a traditional sling mount. Hanging the leather strap from the diagonal slot found in MOE stock may be problematic. I was considering it some this morning while headed to work. However, as stated I am uncertain how that will work. Has anyone else tried using that diagonal sling mount with good slings? Not them floppy dick, sandpaper things that look like webbing. Those are just..  well, they do not work like the Rhodesian sling for control. Though, they sure give a tacticool factor.

Pardon my crass views of webbing.. I like leather. Guess I can try it on a different rifle and see how it looks in a few days. I am just not very... "thrilled" at mounting a 1913 rail and sling attachment to that is all. Which, is the best way to approach this. The whole issue has turned me away from the MOE stock.

 I looked in one, considering to just punch the plug out, shove in an uncle mike's machine thread mount, use stack+lock washers and nut to hold everything together. That was also when I was becoming concerned with the "strength" of that plastic. It is like 3/8" thick there. Maybe.

Any input would be great. Thanks.

[washguy]

Newb    theres a ton of car stocks out there   https://www.outdoorgearbarn.com/search.aspx?SearchTerm=mjagpul car stocks&selection=714486

use one of these  for your ghettodesian sling or what ever it is       lol            or the qd type of sling swivel      Wash

[shepp]

1 hour ago, 308lrnewb said:

Well, I am unsure how well the leather sling will function on that goofy sling mount built in to the MOE is all. Avoid one piece-gotcha.

I was told the heavy buffer would help control things and improve dwell, decreasing risk of a case blowout. Am going to be throwing hot hand loads.

The A2 has a standard swivel in it. I want a traditional sling mount. Hanging the leather strap from the diagonal slot found in MOE stock may be problematic. I was considering it some this morning while headed to work. However, as stated I am uncertain how that will work. Has anyone else tried using that diagonal sling mount with good slings? Not them floppy dick, sandpaper things that look like webbing. Those are just..  well, they do not work like the Rhodesian sling for control. Though, they sure give a tacticool factor.

Pardon my crass views of webbing.. I like leather. Guess I can try it on a different rifle and see how it looks in a few days. I am just not very... "thrilled" at mounting a 1913 rail and sling attachment to that is all. Which, is the best way to approach this. The whole issue has turned me away from the MOE stock.

 I looked in one, considering to just punch the plug out, shove in an uncle mike's machine thread mount, use stack+lock washers and nut to hold everything together. That was also when I was becoming concerned with the "strength" of that plastic. It is like 3/8" thick there. Maybe.

Any input would be great. Thanks.

When you say leather sling I think of my grandpa's sling with the deer hunter seen carved into it from 1967.........I'll take my "limp dick" sling any day as long as my actual dick still gets hard I could give two fucks, but maybe that's because I'm tacticool

[308lrnewb]

*shrug* I guess I should choice term it as a 'operator's rig' instead of a limp dick tacticool webbing...

Military sling is the proper term for the 'ghettodesian sling'!!

Looking a bit further.. Thinking the primaryweapons.com keymod bipod attachment(designed for harris bipods) will do for the front end. Then, some uncle mike's hardware. The 7/8" 10x32 machine thread sling attachment should work in the plug hole of that MOE buttstock.

I already have a carbine length dpms panther. Thank you though washguy. Appreciate the consideration and thought. 

survivalshop - My willie gets up and hard when we talk about leather, burning powder and a good hard run during a rainy day! So long as we are lugging around some 7.62 nato and singing songs. I will lead with 'up on cripple creek'.

Good luck had just stung me... to the race track I did go... She bet on one horse to win... ... and I bet on another to show!

*panting*

Now the odds were in my favor.. I had her five to one!

Edited July 26, 2016 by 308lrnewb

[blue109]

I don't think I'm understanding your sling attachment issue either? You plug a sling swivel into the socket on the stock and you effectively have the same thing as a usgi mount, with the benefit of being able to remove it (instead of having to undo your entire sling) And it being in a better position than the toe of the stock

 

[washguy]

Right on right on. Blue

[shepp]

15 minutes ago, blue109 said:

I don't think I'm understanding your sling attachment issue either? You plug a sling swivel into the socket on the stock and you effectively have the same thing as a usgi mount, with the benefit of being able to remove it (instead of having to undo your entire sling) And it being in a better position than the toe of the stock

 

That's only for tacticool guys......

[survivalshop]

  Have you looked at a Magpul MS1 sling or a Vickers sling  or a bunch of others that are out there  , limp they aren't . I just installed one on the MOE stocked 18", I'll take a photo of it in the AM .

 As Blue posted , there are many ways to put a sling attachment on all Magpul stock systems , systems is the term, because they are so adaptable . I also think you will find that that sling attachment slot on the MOE will be more comfortable with they way you plan on using the sling , look at the angle of the sling when its in a shooting position & you will see its at an angle , not straight in line with the A2 swivel ,but if you are set on the A2 , go for it , its a good stock .

  Loading hot 308 ammo , you can only push brass so far & we have all been there or at least I have with test loads & my 20" with A2 stock & all DPMS 308 rifle Buffer system had no problem with the loads . A Tubb's flat wire spring would be more beneficial then a Heaver Buffer, IMO . Again , you will not go wrong with a Heavy Buffers ,Buffer , Clint has a good product .

[308lrnewb]

I appreciate all the offerings. I will get some parts and try a few different sling attachment methods. What is the call to the tubb's wire? I checked it out.. but - being able to compress farther than the buffer length does not seem much more than a selling point. Is it, because the thing is well polished? I was under the impression that.. once the buffer bottoms out.. spring compression means nothing. Also, any good chrome silicon wire should do the same - being round or flat, yes?

Survivalshop - mid august starline will now be offering 308 brass. read up on it. sounds almost like lake city. thick webbing and reduced capacity. Did I mention I work in the same city starline manufacturers in? =9 For plinking, was going to throw a brass catcher attachment on the flat top. Fresh starline or once used lakecity LR brass.. either route $$$

I had considered using the QD cups for a side mount sling, but I am a bit unsure how it will all work on the buttstock. Seems like it would work better for carrying the rifle in a slung position, however - how well do they work when throwing the rifle from chest to back, or in reverse? I am a tad nervy about the 'quick' term, as a few people I know have had them pop loose while running. They were mentioning how their sling hardware would actuate the quick release button if the rifle would move specific ways. Using the angled mount built into the stock would not be too bad, however I am thinking how will it ride when muzzle down and hanging from chest or muzzle up, hanging from back.

Thank you everyone for all the chiming in, support and advisory from experience! I appreciate it all. Hope everyone is able to discern my natures for being good intent and merely wrought with inquisition for self-enlightenment.

[washguy]

Newb The tubbs will slow things down and smooth things out....just get one......Wash

[survivalshop]

  I have the same misgivings on the QD swivel mount , but have no experience with them , so it may be just that I haven't tried them & really don't know .

  The Tubb's flat wire spring is far superior to any round spring , I have one in the 18" & it runs smooth , recoil is smooth also . There are some , including ( Clint ) from Heavy Buffers doesn't believe in them , but a lot of us here use them & have compared them to regular springs . I use one in my 16" 308AR also , drops the brass about two foot out & at 3 o'clock , every one of them , nice little pile .

  There are many videos on the MOE stock & also on the Magpul MS1 , its a mule mission sling , I used one Hunting in a single point configuration with my 870 Mag, DSG with the Magpul stock & it worked great , but I like to sling my rifle , cross the body on my back to clime into tree stands or going up rough country , where you wouldn't get a shot any way , because you have t have both hands climbing from tree to tree & I carrie a day pak . Luckily the MS1 , as a Multi mission sling can be quickly converted to a two point sling & I changed it . For still hunting the single point is great though .

  I have to take that photo of the sling .

    LC is what I use , once fired , probably from a Machine gun , but works just fine for me for over thirty years . Speed & high pressure , I have found are not your most accurate ammo loading  in most rifles . Just look in the reloading section & look at the ES & SD do with higher loadings , there is always a sweet spot with any combo . New brass is nice though & I like Starline .

  I also Anneal my brass every loading .

Edited July 26, 2016 by survivalshop

[jtallen83]

Just make sure to use a reputable brand of QD swivel and you shouldn't have an issue, Magpul sells a good one, so does Midwest Industries. You don't want Chinese junk, good ones are a bit pricy so be prepared to pay more than seems fair.

[308lrnewb]

If everyone is so sure.. I will try this Tubb spring and I looked at the ms1 mule thing. Will think about what everyone here is saying. Not quite sure how that ms1 doubles as a single point sling though..

What is the big issue with Clint(HeavyBuffer) and the tubb spring? Anyone ever tried using the tubb spring and heavy buffer together? I looked in to it some, asked Clint about it. He said do not waste the money. *shrug* I watched the videos that tubb manufacturer posted also. I noted two things. It was longer than the standard spring and it compressed farther. Otherwise, who knows.

[mrmackc]

All I can say is Try it, maybe you will like it (Tubb flat wire buffer spring) if you don't like it, send it to me,

[washguy]

Newb      Why ask question upon question ...then when someone gives you advice you argue the point and take it further down the road.....and you are starting to get a bit loquacious about all this too            Wash

[survivalshop]

 

 Lookout the one from Brownells first .

Videos of how to use a magpul ms1 sling

Edited July 26, 2016 by survivalshop