Fletch Posted July 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 2 hours ago, survivalshop said: Myself , I would have been the biggest prick they ever met & would not have stood for the Machine markings on any of the components & would have told them the Lower receiver moving away from the Upper ( or what ever its doing ) is a danger to me & shooters around me & I want the rifle replaced or they would be hearing from Legal assistance , thats just me though , probably why I have never bought a Factory AR of any sort . Not that you can get bad ones , but if I build one that does that , I would expect those manufacturers to replace those effected components also & its all on me ,not relying on someone else to make that decision . If Factory Armalites are being made to that new standard , they have come a long way to ruin a Icon in the AR industry & I hope they are reading these posts & maybe someone should send them a link to this Thread . If your happy or satisfied with you decision & their lame excuses , thats OK too . Its your rifle & your decision , I think you did well . LOL..I thought about that but decided against it. I have no desire to follow through on any legal threats so I figured I'd better not make any (threats) to start with. I chose to leave it entirely up to them...they'd either do right and I'd be happy or they wouldn't and I'd sell the rifle (and never ever buy anything Armalite again). I'm actually pleased it turned out this way...I get to build another rifle and now both of my 308AR's will be the same platform instead of having one DPMS-pattern and one Armalite. Lesson learned! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quentin Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 (edited) 13 hours ago, Fletch said: My serial number was A11-001xx Thank you for that information, Fletch! I assume lower receivers with serial numbers around A11-001xx are recent forgings. The A0020xx lowers, as I mentioned before, are around Sept. 2014 which surprised me at first since my rifle was assembled in Feb. 2016 and another AR-10A with a serial number within 14 of mine existed Dec. 2014. But when I talked to Tim Rooker of ArmaLite he said you can't date a rifle by serial number since they may have receivers pulled from stock for assembly that are new or a couple years old. That has to be true, that explains why my new AR-10A has an old SN. Anyway, ArmaLite needs to look at their lowers, at least the new ones. It's possible only one lower is defective but I doubt it. I'll certainly watch for any change in the fit of my receivers. The sloppy machining marks on the bolt are annoying but I doubt it will cause a problem. I wish AR-10 bolts were made of Carpenter 158 steel like their M15 bolts! But I haven't heard of many failures of AR-10 bolts over the years, even with the softer 8620 steel. Edited July 21, 2016 by Quentin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreQRiDeR Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 My Tac16 has a similar gap between upper and lower, although not as severe. If it were fitted perfectly, you would get a mechanical lock and wouldn't be able to pivot the upper off the lower. I doubt the gap had increased as you say. If there was something wrong with it., Armalite would have fixed it. It's much cheaper to do so than have to deal with a lawsuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 34 minutes ago, FreQRiDeR said: My Tac16 has a similar gap between upper and lower, although not as severe. If it were fitted perfectly, you would get a mechanical lock and wouldn't be able to pivot the upper off the lower. I doubt the gap had increased as you say. If there was something wrong with it., Armalite would have fixed it. It's much cheaper to do so than have to deal with a lawsuit. Freq Hate to ruin your understanding of what a quality ar308 or ar15 for that matter should look like.... you said.."If it were fitted perfectly, you would get a mechanical lock and wouldn't be able to pivot the upper off the lower" bullcrap on that statement ... Ive got many ar308's and they are so tight you can hardly see the line separating the upper and lower... and they pivot fine....i wouldnt own a piece that looks like yours...but thats just me Wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreQRiDeR Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 More concerned with how it shoots, Wash, than how it looks. But that's just me. :p I'm very happy with my Armalite. Sub moa after sighting it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 Very disappointing to see another AR-10 that looks like that. Mine, made in 2011, is nice and tight but has no issue opening or closing, ArmaLite has let QC slide deep......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreQRiDeR Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 (edited) Really? I have no idea. Do you have a picture of yours to compare? I'm curious now. Sadly, that seems to be the case with most companies these days. Not just in the firearm industry. Edited December 11, 2016 by FreQRiDeR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Best picture I have with me, I'll try to get a good close up when I get home for Christmas. At the point this was taken the rifle would have had near 1,000 rounds, it has better than 3,000 now but looks the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 5 hours ago, FreQRiDeR said: Sadly, that seems to be the case with most companies these days. Not just in the firearm industry. On your pic it's not so much the gap itself that would bother me, but that the gap looks uneven. The "lines" don't appear to match up crossing the gap. Could just be the angle of the pic though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreQRiDeR Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 4 hours ago, blue109 said: On your pic it's not so much the gap itself that would bother me, but that the gap looks uneven. The "lines" don't appear to match up crossing the gap. Could just be the angle of the pic though? No, the gap's not parallel, you're right. I read this thread before getting the rifle so I checked mine as soon as I got it. It was there before I shot it. So no, it hasn't spread out after firing a few hundred rounds. I would have sent it back asap had that been the case. Minimal wiggle between upper and lower actually. Should have saved my money and got a DPMS! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Sadly, my beloved Armalite isn't the same company as they were under Mark Westrom. He was integral in helping bringing them back to life, when he bought the company back in 96. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreQRiDeR Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 (edited) Is this really a deal breaker for you? I think you're all being overly fussy. As long as the rifle is functioning as intended, I'm happy. And I'm happy to report, it's shooting quite well so I won't lose any sleep over it. I mean what could happen? My bolt's gunna catch a cold from the draft? ;) Edited December 11, 2016 by FreQRiDeR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Rsquared said: Sadly, my beloved Armalite isn't the same company as they were under Mark Westrom. He was integral in helping bringing them back to life, when he bought the company back in 96. R2 saiys it well. these are bad pictures I.just took i low light, but neither of my AR10's built 5 and 6 years ago show gaps like that. you cannot see daylight between either one. My Armalite loyalty is to rifles they apparently no longer produce. If I was to buy an assembled rifle now, I would go with Rock River Arms. otherwise, I would build. Edited December 11, 2016 by Sisco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Hey bro if your happy with the rifle and it works without issue then fuk it, shoot the poop out of it. Are you trying to convince yourself about the looks of your rifle or others ?? Who gives a fuk what others think ??? Love my Rock River but that damn M5 is turning into my fav.....just sayin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreQRiDeR Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 (edited) It's Armalite's new Full Floating Upper. Said to eliminate 99.9% shooter error. That's probably why it shoots so well for me! ;) Edited December 11, 2016 by FreQRiDeR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Not a deal breaker at all! If it shoots that's really all that matters, fit and finish is just icing on the cake. Just saying I'd prefer both if the option is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 35 minutes ago, FreQRiDeR said: It's Armalite's new Full Floating Upper. Said to eliminate 99.9% shooter error. That's probably why it shoots so well for me! ;) 28 minutes ago, blue109 said: Not a deal breaker at all! If it shoots that's really all that matters, fit and finish is just icing on the cake. Just saying I'd prefer both if the option is there. Truth, It is odd though that factory tolerances are different than they were 5 years ago. Enjoy it if it works. I enjoy mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreQRiDeR Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 (edited) On December 9, 2016 at 2:59 PM, washguy said: Freq Hate to ruin your understanding of what a quality ar308 or ar15 for that matter should look like.... you said.."If it were fitted perfectly, you would get a mechanical lock and wouldn't be able to pivot the upper off the lower" bullcrap on that statement ... Ive got many ar308's and they are so tight you can hardly see the line separating the upper and lower... and they pivot fine....i wouldnt own a piece that looks like yours...but thats just me Wash Well, I just looked at a Mega Matten 1piece upper/rail and matching (bare) lower set and the fit was Virgin Mary tight! Better be! For a thousand bucks I could buy a whole rifle! Edited December 18, 2016 by FreQRiDeR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmackc Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 8 hours ago, FreQRiDeR said: Well, I just looked at a Mega Matten 1piece upper/rail and matching (bare) lower set and the fit was Virgin Mary tight! Better be! For a thousand bucks I could buy a whole rifle! Frec, I don't know where you buy your stuff but for $1000 I would expect it to be Chrome plated! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 9 hours ago, FreQRiDeR said: Well, I just looked at a Mega Matten 1piece upper/rail and matching (bare) lower set and the fit was Virgin Mary tight! Better be! For a thousand bucks I could buy a whole rifle! Freq Mega's whether just the matched upper/lower or the mono railed upper/lower are pretty much all that way....just an upper lower is about 500 or so . Wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreQRiDeR Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 4 hours ago, mrmackc said: Frec, I don't know where you buy your stuff but for $1000 I would expect it to be Chrome plated! LOL I said look, not buy! ;) It was at the range shop so ya, probably overpriced. Hell, I can't even afford the ammo at the range! Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmackc Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 16 hours ago, FreQRiDeR said: I said look, not buy! ;) It was at the range shop so ya, probably overpriced. Hell, I can't even afford the ammo at the range! Lol. That is good, I do that a lot just to get a look and feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) On 12/9/2016 at 5:17 PM, FreQRiDeR said: More concerned with how it shoots, Wash, than how it looks. But that's just me. :p I'm very happy with my Armalite. Sub moa after sighting it in. Freq Not too bad for 50yds with iron sights ! Wash Ok on the serious side....if you got rid of the gap...which by the way is more gap than my ex has...you might end up with this Edited December 19, 2016 by washguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreQRiDeR Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 On December 19, 2016 at 1:36 PM, washguy said: Freq Not too bad for 50yds with iron sights ! Wash Ok on the serious side....if you got rid of the gap...which by the way is more gap than my ex has...you might end up with this Well Wash, it was actually 44 yds with iron sights. As I mentioned, i was adjusting my buis with this target, so yes the shots are not consistent. However, after getting her zero'd, I got 3 shot group of .5 moa (two touching) and one bullseye. With said iron sights. Tight groups don't mean poop to me if you can't hit the bullseye! Looks like you're off there a little, buddy ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreQRiDeR Posted December 20, 2016 Report Share Posted December 20, 2016 Seriously tho, good shooting wash, I'll get there some day ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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