End Police Patrols

[planeflyer21]

A profound and thought provoking discussion, especially in light of recent events:

 

Discuss.

[Fletch]

Good discussion. I think they all made good points. My opinion is that the root of the problem isn't the police or even the criminals for that matter...we seem to have adopted this "save everyone from everything" mentality and "enforce every rule/law/code, no matter how minor, as if everyone is on some "most-wanted" list. I remember in law classes how we talked about "better to let 10 guilty people go free than jail 1 innocent person"...and how our system is supposed to be "innocent until proven guilty". Now it seems the attitude is "guilty until proven innocent" and "better to jail 10 innocent people than let 1 guilty person go free". For that there is plenty of blame to go around...certainly our nanny-state minded politicaians (on both side of the aisle), the media, the social-engineer do-gooder types, etc...essentially the "status-quo". These police shootings (or being shot) are not the "problem" IMO...they are a symptom of much deeper issues...and we seem to be a long way off from even starting to tackle those issues.

 

Edited July 13, 2016 by Fletch

[Fletch]

Also, there seems to be this 'police are good' vs. 'police are bad' theme whenever I hear/read about this stuff...way too oversimplified IMO. There are good cops and there are scumbag cops...there are criminals (black, white, or other) that deserve to be shot, and there are a lot of good normal people who shouldn't be treated like criminals because they have an expired license plate, jaywalk, or have a broken tail light.

[MikedaddyH]

I have a point I would like to make; What if police detectives started investigations on all people with Political Science Degrees and nit picked every little offense which they have done just to see their reaction. Wonder what kind political reaction the Congress would make and how long it would take to change and stop the Police from their investigations. ❓❓❓

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[planeflyer21]

/\/\/\/\ Someone already is doing that.  Don't know who.  Every politician.  Every public official.

And as soon as they come out to change things, out comes the news of their transgressions and out come the criminal charges.

[Fletch]

1 hour ago, planeflyer21 said:

And as soon as they come out to change things, out comes the news of their transgressions and out come the criminal charges.

Or they somehow magically seem to die in a car wreck, have a heart attack, or commit suicide.

[Fletch]

Just came across this: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-13/too-many-laws-why-police-encounters-escalate

An interesting read with some good points as well IMO.

[jtallen83]

7 hours ago, Fletch said:

Just came across this: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-13/too-many-laws-why-police-encounters-escalate

An interesting read with some good points as well IMO.

ZeroHedge nails it again, GO TYLER!

[survivalshop]

      I really don't think the US of A  will be a better place if LEO patrols are stopped . It is true , there are far too many laws , look how the LIbfarts want to make it illegal to be against Global warming , WTF ? 

[MikedaddyH]

This just reenforced the that the united states has a major drug problem. Our country is repeating it's history , the country had an alcohol problem at the beginning of the last century which resulted in prohibition and the rise of the Mafia which caused gang warfare across the country ! Now the war on drugs is having the same effect . Cartels have a major influence throughout the country which violence and death has followed its path. Prisons are filled with drug offenders and police forces main focus are drug bust. The last time around the country escaped this problem by getting in a world war. So that is what will happen next in our future !

 

[planeflyer21]

50 minutes ago, MikedaddyH said:

This just reenforced the that the united states has a major drug problem. Our country is repeating it's history , the country had an alcohol problem at the beginning of the last century which resulted in prohibition and the rise of the Mafia which caused gang warfare across the country ! Now the war on drugs is having the same effect . Cartels have a major influence throughout the country which violence and death has followed its path. Prisons are filled with drug offenders and police forces main focus are drug bust. The last time around the country escaped this problem by getting in a world war. So that is what will happen next in our future !

 

Except the booze addled brains of them making the laws is drastically slowing the reversal of prohibition in this case.

[MikedaddyH]

Also caused gun control !

Edited July 14, 2016 by MikedaddyH

[survivalshop]

  I always said that if those bonehead Politicians did drugs like they like their booze , we wouldn't have this problem.

[planeflyer21]

4 hours ago, survivalshop said:

  I always said that if those bonehead Politicians did drugs like they like their booze , we wouldn't have this problem.

They do.

The laws just don't apply to them equally.

Edited July 15, 2016 by planeflyer21
To correct nonsense that politicos think they are equal to us.

[shepp]

1 hour ago, planeflyer21 said:

They do.

The laws just apply to them equally.

Ohhhhhh yea rumor has it slick Willy don't inhale but loved his nose candy

[Sisco]

Too many laws, and the too much pressure on the LEOs to enforce them all. We need fewer laws to enforce, and fewer reasons to hate and disrespect police. They don't deserve it, and have been put in a tough position. 

[jtallen83]

Amen on fewer laws, a smaller less powerful government! The problems police have now are directly related to our thirst as a nation for an all encompassing federal government. When the police cannot solve all our problems society gets angry with them instead of reflecting on what they themselves can do about their own problems.

 

[survivalshop]

   Wonder what could have happened if this patrol would not of arrived or is that what this guy wanted ?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-dead-exchanging-gunfire-baltimore-officers-052844553.html

[jtallen83]

The fact that no details besides a picture of the "AR 15 style rifle " had been released says a lot. Like the rifle type really mattered. 

[mineralman55]

Ooow! They found "shell casings" at the scene from an "AR 15 style" rifle. Oooow, what an indictment! That's the most important thing yahoo can report? How about the shooter's rap sheet? Race? Intentions? His affiliations? How about some facts? The final paragraph is irrelevant and idiotic, as it has nothing to do with the actual incident.

This is not reporting, this is deliberately inflammatory nonsense.

[planeflyer21]

Ha!  Idiots.  That is clearly an AR pistol!  That'll show them! <sarcasm off>

[survivalshop]

  Read the comments at the end , I just love these comment sections , makes me laugh most of the time , they say the same about the article , so much worthless & misleading info .

[unforgiven]

It is the drug=chemical problem in this country. The gang warfare for those profits goes hand in hand.

[MikedaddyH]

Police shooting in Baton Rouge today 7 cops shot and 3 killed. This is like 1991 after the Rodney King beating. Our country is repeating it mistakes again. Martial law may just happen.

[shepp]

Is this true? Maybe in the political area? I don't venture in there often it's not good for my blood pressure