mag types DPMS gen 2 bull 7.62

[lx2008]

hello, just need a little info please. i just added another 7.62x51 to my safe. so far i have Armalites, Fulton Armory Titan

and now i have  DPMS GEN II Bull w/ 24in. stainless on the way. it comes with a 20rd mag. need to know if PMAG`s are made for this

or what other brands will work. if you can hook me up with a couple of links to some sites that sell these i would very much appreciate it.

thanks guy`s! ( tried to do search in here for it but came up empty...otherwise i would`nt have asked & contact link is down on the dpms site)

[COBrien]

AFAIK, all DPMS .308 ARs will accept PMAGs. Gen I, Gen II, doesn't matter.

[lx2008]

CO,

thank you.

[bubbas4570]

Unless I am wrong, there are only 3 magazine camps in tye 308AR world.

Armalite style, DPMS style (P-mag), and the FAL takers......

 

[Quentin]

17 minutes ago, bubbas4570 said:

Unless I am wrong, there are only 3 magazine camps in tye 308AR world.

Armalite style, DPMS style (P-mag), and the FAL takers......

Actually it's ArmaLite/SR-25 style (Eugene Stoner used his old 1950s ArmaLite magazine design), 1990s ArmaLite/M14 style
and FAL inch style. DPMS and Magpul didn't create a new form factor, instead they are compatible with the Stoner Rifle-25 magazine.

[planeflyer21]

If for "FAL takers" you mean the Rock River LAR-8, they will take inch AND metric pattern FAL magazines.  Not bad for ambi-mag release, ambi-bolt stop pattern.

[bubbas4570]

Yup, I was going for lowest common denominator in my description......knew that correction was coming from someone who knew exactly what series model numbers were needed for a full description.

[bubbas4570]

Full and correct description.

[bubbas4570]

...and all along I throught that Armalite took a different pattern of magazine than the DPMS compatible ( how I hear most people say it)....guess I learnt something new today.

That difference must be in the later Armalite magazine compatibility vs the SR-25 (older series).....correct?

[Quentin]

The Clinton 1994 AWB forced ArmaLite/Eagle Arms to introduce (in 1995, I believe) their AR-10B using a magazine based on the M14 magazine. This was done so the rifle could use existing 20 round M14 magazines (slightly modified) that were grandfathered in under the ban. Otherwise, new magazines would be limited to just 10 rounds. If not for the ban I believe ArmaLite would have used the old 1950s ArmaLite magazine design as KAC and Eugene Stoner did with the SR-25, which came out before the AWB. Bushmaster, then RRA also got burned by the AWB and went with FAL magazines to offer existing magazines greater than 10 rounds. DPMS and almost everyone else were late to the 308 AR party, after the AWB sunsetted in 2004 so they were free to go with the original ArmaLite/SR-25 magazine since low capacity no longer was mandated. Then Magpul introduced the SR-25 compatible PMAG that was cheap and good. This was a huge advantage to anyone using the SR-25 form factor so ArmaLite introduced their AR-10A line which gave customers a choice of the 1990s "old ArmaLite" magazine or the new, err, old 1950s ArmaLite magazine. Strange twist of events!

What's interesting, in the 1950s the old ArmaLite made the AR-10 and AR-10A, so the new ArmaLite/Eagle Arms, which owned the terms ArmaLite and AR-10, called their new rifle the AR-10B and today they sell the AR-10A which is modern yet fully rooted in the past.

[Quentin]

I meant to mention that 20 round SR-25 magazines and 1950s ArmaLite magazines were in short supply so ArmaLIte/Eagle Arms went with M14 mags and Bushmaster went with FAL. Later Bushmaster sold their design to RRA and finally came out with their SR-25 magazine compatible version.

Yeah, people are lazy and say DPMS compatible but at least should give Eugene Stoner a tiny bit of credit and say SR-25 compatible! After all he was the guy that designed the AR-10 and forty years later the Knight's Armament SR-25!

Edited July 28, 2016 by Quentin

[survivalshop]

6 hours ago, Quentin said:

I meant to mention that 20 round SR-25 magazines and 1950s ArmaLite magazines were in short supply so ArmaLIte/Eagle Arms went with M14 mags and Bushmaster went with FAL. Later Bushmaster sold their design to RRA and finally came out with their SR-25 magazine compatible version.

Yeah, people are lazy and say DPMS compatible but at least should give Eugene Stoner a tiny bit of credit and say SR-25 compatible! After all he was the guy that designed the AR-10 and forty years later the Knight's Armament SR-25!

 Lazy  , not quite , the statement is accurate , until Armalite came out with the AR10A model, just a year or so ago & no one is taking anything away from Mr.Stoner !

[bubbas4570]

Thanks for the information!  

I am new (returning after many years) to the AR party and am interested in getting this kind of info.

[Quentin]

I remember first 308 DPMS magazines were so horrible that the plastic feed lips broke off after 100 or so rounds. People were scrambling to find SR-25 mags and even 1950s ArmaLite mags so they could shoot their rifle! It was so bad at the time I permantly scratched them off my list for a 308 AR or even AR-15. Finally DPMS came out with a metal magazine that was better. Then Magpul came out with the PMAG which was SR-25 compatible. Today's ArmaLite saw the writing on the wall and had to offer an AR-10 that was (Arrgghh!) PMAG compatible. I'm an old timer and prefer SR-25 compatible. (1950s ArmaLite AR-10 would be better but is too easy to confuse with the M14 style magazines.)

Eugene Stoner designed the AR-10 in the 1950s then decades later modernized it as the SR-25. DPMS made a knockoff.

[survivalshop]

1 hour ago, Quentin said:

I remember first 308 DPMS magazines were so horrible that the plastic feed lips broke off after 100 or so rounds. People were scrambling to find SR-25 mags and even 1950s ArmaLite mags so they could shoot their rifle! It was so bad at the time I permantly scratched them off my list for a 308 AR or even AR-15. Finally DPMS came out with a metal magazine that was better. Then Magpul came out with the PMAG which was SR-25 compatible. Today's ArmaLite saw the writing on the wall and had to offer an AR-10 that was (Arrgghh!) PMAG compatible. I'm an old timer and prefer SR-25 compatible. (1950s ArmaLite AR-10 would be better but is too easy to confuse with the M14 style magazines.)

Eugene Stoner designed the AR-10 in the 1950s then decades later modernized it as the SR-25. DPMS made a knockoff.

  So that's history , whats your point ? I know the AR10 is the mostest,  bestest , rifle in the world , I can tell your one of the puritan Armalite owners , all others are scrap knock off's , strange DPMS LR rifles have about 87% of the market on that type of rifle , its why Armalite changed their proprietary design to the DPMS/SR-25 magazine design. I don't have a mule to kick in this , I like all the 308AR's , I don't bow to one or another .  

 The poster didn't ask for a lecture of a magazines origins or who made the first one , he just asked what Mag fit his rifle ,a simple question .

  lx2008 

 If you can find them , Lancer L7 mags are top of the heap in my book , check them out , they are expensive & sometimes hard to find .

http://www.lancer-systems.com/advanced-weapons-components-2/products/magazines-2/l7-advanced-warfighter-magazine/

   

Edited July 28, 2016 by survivalshop

[shepp]

1 hour ago, survivalshop said:

  So that's history , whats your point ? I know the AR10 is the mostest,  bestest , rifle in the world , I can tell your one of the puritan Armalite owners , all others are scrap knock off's , strange DPMS LR rifles have about 87% of the market on that type of rifle , its why Armalite changed their proprietary design to the DPMS/SR-25 magazine design. I don't have a mule to kick in this , I like all the 308AR's , I don't bow to one or another .  

 The poster didn't ask for a lecture of a magazines origins or who made the first one , he just asked what Mag fit his rifle ,a simple question .

  lx2008 

 If you can find them , Lancer L7 mags are top of the heap in my book , check them out , they are expensive & sometimes hard to find .

http://www.lancer-systems.com/advanced-weapons-components-2/products/magazines-2/l7-advanced-warfighter-magazine/

   

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[lx2008]

thanks s.s. , appreciate the link. but i did`nt mind the history lesson. i knew a tad about it anyhow lol

[jtallen83]

+1 on the Lancers, pricy but nice, almost as nice as my Armalite GenII

[Rsquared]

3 hours ago, jtallen83 said:

+1 on the Lancers, pricy but nice, almost as nice as my Armalite GenII

Well I wasn't gonna say anything......................................

[Quentin]

4 hours ago, survivalshop said:

  So that's history , whats your point ? I know the AR10 is the mostest,  bestest , rifle in the world , I can tell your one of the puritan Armalite owners , all others are scrap knock off's , strange DPMS LR rifles have about 87% of the market on that type of rifle , its why Armalite changed their proprietary design to the DPMS/SR-25 magazine design. I don't have a mule to kick in this , I like all the 308AR's , I don't bow to one or another .  

 The poster didn't ask for a lecture of a magazines origins or who made the first one , he just asked what Mag fit his rifle ,a simple question .

  lx2008 

 If you can find them , Lancer L7 mags are top of the heap in my book , check them out , they are expensive & sometimes hard to find .

http://www.lancer-systems.com/advanced-weapons-components-2/products/magazines-2/l7-advanced-warfighter-magazine/

   

 The point is they are Stoner magazines or SR-25 magazines. DMPS didn't make them, they just copied them. He who went to all the trouble to design something that became popular deserves the credit, not the johnny come lately. Is SR-25 compatible so hard to learn? I'm sure DPMS makes good stuff today but those early crap magazines around 2005 and a crap LPK and receiver extension kit of theirs I bought in 2008 soured me on the brand. I'm glad you like yours but even a fanboy has to admit DPMS borrowed heavily from ArmaLite Fairchild, Knights Armament and Eagle Arms ArmaLite. If they hadn't they wouldn't have a good AR style rifle today. Anybody who has an AR pattern rifle should know the story of Eugene Stoner and ArmaLite.

I agree about Lancer magazines. I love their AR-15 mags and am tempted to try their SR-25 compatible mags.

[Rsquared]

I think we all know the story of Eugene on this site my man. I think the guys have just been needling you on it. Hell, I'm one of the big Armalite guys on the site (thus the Armalite pusher) and for years I've referred to the pattern as the SR25/DPMS pattern, compared to the Armalite pattern.

This has turned into another one of those "Ford vs Chevy" type of conversations. Some of us have one or the other (rifles that is......I'd never own a chevy ), while some of us have dabbled with both platforms. I've bobbed and weaved on both sides of this line. Where I prefer the Armalites that I've built. I appreciate and enjoy the SR25/DPMS patterned rifles that I've bought. I've still got a Black Rain set (SR25/DPMS) that I still need to put together, and I'll enjoy that one too. But that's also coming at it from a builders perspective.

We do have to point out the differences from the two. If nothing else, just for the totally green rookies that are just getting into the large platform AR. But I'm tired of the pissing match that seems to perpetually keep going. Just like the "Ford vs Chevy" pissing match.

And THIS is brought to you by the official (of this site) Armalite pusher.

Oh....and for the record.......I'm an Armalite 10B guy. We don't need that stinkin A pattern.

[Quentin]

Thanks, Rsquared, yeah you're right. Some people love one brand and others love another. It's just annoying to see the term "DPMS compatible" bandied about when they came to the party 50 years after the fact! It is important to keep the story straight so new people get a glimmer of what actually happened. There are FAQs here but they're not up to date and even if they were I doubt that many new people would bother with them. These days everyone wants the Cliff's Notes version.

I'm an older guy who carried the M14 and M16 in Vietnam so at least I don't have a problem with the M14/M1A vs AR-15/AR-10/308AR debate, I knew first hand 48 years ago both platforms were good. And now I have one of each so I'm happy. Hey, maybe I should have bought an AR-10B, maybe I could have figured out a way to use the same magazines in my M1A! :D

Actually it was a real stand up move by ArmaLite to offer the AR-10A but I hope they continue to support AR-10B, some of those customers go back 20 years. And I hope the new owners keep the quality high.

By chance I never owned a Chevy either (and just one Ford) but I've put a few hundred thousand miles on company Chevy pickups over the years! :D

 

[shepp]

Like said above, this was a simple question deserving of a simple question in which it got. There's no need to turn this into a pissing match. 

Quintin you seem to have a strong bias for armilite, now and in the past. Good for you. Your talking about how crappy dpms was in 2005-2008, well guess what it's 2016 and they've seemed to solved those issues. I own a dpms its a good rifle, you know why? Because I wanted a 308 rifle and it was there and it wasn't a POS. You seem to be a strong armite "fanboy" as you say, but going off ranting really isn't gonna solve anything. It's ok to be proud......

 

end of story

[Quentin]

Shepp, you're right that lx2008's question has been answered but he didn't seem to mind thread drift to the past. I suspect a few other people have enjoyed this "pissing match" especially since it was fairly civil and informative. And no, I'm not an "armite "fanboy"" just not a DuMPS fan! :D 

[Rsquared]

Hey Shepp! C'mon now brother......everybody around here knows that I'm the Armalite fanboy. Or at least, I would think that five of them would put me solidly in the camp.