Period correct AR 15

[survivalshop]

So they came out like Faxon said they installed them , removed from right to left ( as looking down the sights ), assbackwards 

Edited February 20, 2017 by survivalshop

[MikedaddyH]

[COBrien]

So Faxon told you they did it wrong, but they actually did it right.

I guess either way, Faxon was wrong. Even though they were right.

[survivalshop]

    The whole thing about the AR15/16.M4 is they are MilSpec , one part will fit any model & are made to certain spec's for serviceability , now you have a barrel maker who is doing their own thing & making the assembly different then Milspec. , taking us down the road of the 308AR , in a way .

    There is no reason for them to install the Taper pins in any other way then Mispec , none , it just confuses anyone who wants to follow mil spec disassembly procedures , IMO , its just STUPID !

[FaxonNathan]

We recognize we did it differently than "mil spec" and will change our direction for future jobs. 

As always, we will be here to make any situation right and thank our customers for taking the time to ensure they matched our process versus beating the snot of out of the pins!

[survivalshop]

3 hours ago, FaxonNathan said:

We recognize we did it differently than "mil spec" and will change our direction for future jobs. 

As always, we will be here to make any situation right and thank our customers for taking the time to ensure they matched our process versus beating the snot of out of the pins!

Some people like beating on things 

[BIGBREW]

16 hours ago, FaxonNathan said:

We recognize we did it differently than "mil spec" and will change our direction for future jobs. 

As always, we will be here to make any situation right and thank our customers for taking the time to ensure they matched our process versus beating the snot of out of the pins!

But you didn't offer a solution to "make it right" I have the email to prove it, I also called. I asked if I could send it back and you send me another one and that question went in one ear and out the other.   When I asked what could be done so I would not risk destroying a good barrel your solution was "try some heat or find a gunsmith in your area " Bit the answer I would have expected.  If you installed them incorrectly I would have thought you would have offered more help other than go spend more of my money because you did it wrong. 

[FaxonNathan]

2 hours ago, BIGBREW said:

But you didn't offer a solution to "make it right" I have the email to prove it, I also called. I asked if I could send it back and you send me another one and that question went in one ear and out the other.   When I asked what could be done so I would not risk destroying a good barrel your solution was "try some heat or find a gunsmith in your area " Bit the answer I would have expected.  If you installed them incorrectly I would have thought you would have offered more help other than go spend more of my money because you did it wrong. 

 

Call me, please. PM me for my direct line. 

[shepp]

27 minutes ago, FaxonNathan said:

Call me, please. PM me for my direct line. 

This right here is why I was very surprised when @BIGBREW first commented about his experience. Had nothing less than excellent service from faxon

[FaxonNathan]

2 minutes ago, shepp said:

This right here is why I was very surprised when @BIGBREW first commented about his experience. Had nothing less than excellent service from faxon

I hate to admit it, we're not perfect, but we will make it right. 

If anything, we're thankful for customers who are not afraid to put it bluntly. Its the only way we hear we did something wrong!

[shepp]

4 minutes ago, FaxonNathan said:

I hate to admit it, we're not perfect, but we will make it right. 

If anything, we're thankful for customers who are not afraid to put it bluntly. Its the only way we hear we did something wrong!

No one is just happy to have you here trying to do the right thing, just goes to show how great you guys are

[Robocop1051]

Faxon long ago became one of my favorite company's to deal with. I love their products, love their ingenuity, but most of all their service. Nathan has been a stellar example. 

[BIGBREW]

I am going to reach out to Nathan. I don't want him to think I'm here to bash him. It was nice of him to reach out. 

[98Z5V]

On 2/22/2017 at 0:18 PM, FaxonNathan said:

... and thank our customers for taking the time to ensure they matched our process versus beating the snot of out of the pins!

Beating the snot out of those pins is the ONLY way to get them to move, if they're installed right.  The ONLY way.  You need to hit the shiit out of them, SMALL SIDE, with a punch that's larger then the SMALL SIDE of the pin, and literally "Get them to move."  Once they move, it's easy.  You did nothing wrong, as a company. Nothing.

18 hours ago, BIGBREW said:

But you didn't offer a solution to "make it right" I have the email to prove it, I also called.

Bullshiit, BIGBREW, WE told you what to do, and you didn't follow it.  Not at all.  You were specifically TOLD to hit the shiit out of the SMALL SIDE of the pin with a punch that's LARGER then the SMALL SIDE of the pin.  I specifically told you to do that, and you were talking about a press, and all kinds of stuff.  I specifically TOLD you that you have to hit that thing like ALI.  Like it took something from you.

15 hours ago, FaxonNathan said:

I hate to admit it, we're not perfect, but we will make it right. 

If anything, we're thankful for customers who are not afraid to put it bluntly. Its the only way we hear we did something wrong!

I'm being about as blunt as I can be in this post, too.  I can get MORE BLUNT of it comes to it. Not against you, Nathan,
you're doing the right thing.  BIGBREW, it comes to this - you didn't listen to the advice you were given.  Here.  THAT is blunt.  And TRUE.

11 hours ago, BIGBREW said:

I am going to reach out to Nathan. I don't want him to think I'm here to bash him. It was nice of him to reach out. 

You wouldn't have that need to reach out, had any "listening" taken place.  In the first place. 

Right side, left side, who gives a fcuk.  Mil-Spec doesn't matter, because this damn rifle isn't going into a combat zone,in a Private's hands - who wouldn't give a shiit which way the tapered pins were pounded in in the first fucking place.  

 

Edited February 24, 2017 by 98Z5V

[BIGBREW]

6 hours ago, 98Z5V said:

Beating the snot out of those pins is the ONLY way to get them to move, if they're installed right.  The ONLY way.  You need to hit the shiit out of them, SMALL SIDE, with a punch that's larger then the SMALL SIDE of the pin, and literally "Get them to move."  Once they move, it's easy.  You did nothing wrong, as a company. Nothing.

From what I was told the pins came out the other way. I was just trying to make sure so I didn't damage anything. I did what was suggesting by people on this page. When that didn't work I reached out to the manufacturer. I would rather spend the money and have it done by an expert then screw someone else's barrel up, then I'm out more money. 

When I asked if I could ship it and I did offer to pay for the services I was told they don't have the tools to remove the pins. 

Guess you were part of those conversations and I just wasn't aware of that. 

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Bullshiit, BIGBREW, WE told you what to do, and you didn't follow it.  Not at all.  You were specifically TOLD to hit the shiit out of the SMALL SIDE of the pin with a punch that's LARGER then the SMALL SIDE of the pin.  I specifically told you to do that, and you were talking about a press, and all kinds of stuff.  I specifically TOLD you that you have to hit that thing like ALI.  Like it took something from you.

Because everyone on the Internet is an expert nowadays, apparently your one of the bunch, always trust someone you don't know on the Internet...check!

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I'm being about as blunt as I can be in this post, too.  I can get MORE BLUNT of it comes to it. Not against you, Nathan,
you're doing the right thing.  BIGBREW, it comes to this - you didn't listen to the advice you were given.  Here.  THAT is blunt.  And TRUE.

I appreciate Nathan reaching out, I don't expect anything from him. I bought two new pins for $12 big deal it's not about money.  Jesus Christ get your panties out of a bunch. I said I got them out, I'm moving forward now. 

 

6 hours ago, 98Z5V said:

 

You wouldn't have that need to reach out, had any "listening" taken place.  In the first place. 

Right side, left side, who gives a fcuk.  Mil-Spec doesn't matter, because this damn rifle isn't going into a combat zone,in a Private's hands - who wouldn't give a shiit which way the tapered pins were pounded in in the first fucking place.  

 

I give a F#$K. I want it to be done right. If I'm being told they come out the opposite way maybe, just maybe something is wrong, if that means I pay someone so be it. Obviously you give a poop, sounds like your having a meltdown over this.  

 

I'll be sure to copy you in on any future communication, pm me your email address so I can do that, ok? Thanks Sport!

Edited February 24, 2017 by BIGBREW

[BIGBREW]

22 hours ago, FaxonNathan said:

I hate to admit it, we're not perfect, but we will make it right. 

If anything, we're thankful for customers who are not afraid to put it bluntly. Its the only way we hear we did something wrong!

Nate. We can disregard this phone call.  No big deal I'm not worried about it. I got them out. If a mod wants to delete this post feel free. 

[survivalshop]

6 hours ago, 98Z5V said:

Right side, left side, who gives a fcuk.  Mil-Spec doesn't matter, because this damn rifle isn't going into a combat zone,in a Private's hands - who wouldn't give a shiit which way the tapered pins were pounded in in the first fucking place.  

 

    I do  .

     Here's an example , you work on Bikes , if you worked on a factory bike & their was a component that was installed a certain way,  by the manual  and you got a factory authorized component that was installed opposite the way the manual described , How would you feel about that , what would be the words from you mouth or thoughts about it , if you spent a fair amount of time trying to figure out why it was not attaching they way the Factory Manual described ? Sure you can say , I have a great deal of experience & would not fall into this backwards made component , but you are not everyone & some may not have the experience you do to figure it out .Its why Assembly/Disassembly Manuals are made .

    Bigbrew did right to contact the manufacturer of this component that had the attachments that did not conform to ANY manual for assembly/disassembly of said component & he got it disassembled and I have to hand it to Faxon for their commitment to changing to the Manuals , be it a TM or other , specifications . 

   You can say what you want , I'm not commenting here to cut a business down or harp on a Manufacturer , I always try to be honest with my opinions & say so , I don't apologize for my observations , its just an opinion & everyone has one .

 As far as which way the pins go , for attachment purposes , it really doesn't matter , as long as they are done properly ( except they are not to spec's in any manual ) the thing about them is that on someone making a period correct AR , they are not correct for that period & some do care about such small things . 
 In my experience , working on & restoring Vintage HD's , some for show , if you put a Bolt in that was not period correct & Finnish , you get points off for that bolt being wrong , like it should have been Cadmium Plated , not Chrome , Stainless Steel or plain . Sure this rifle is not going to a custom gun show , but some do want these things to be correct .

 Just look at the Threads on this Forum about making a correct original AR 10 or SR 25 & see if they would stand for something not correct .

 

Edited February 24, 2017 by survivalshop

[BIGBREW]

9 minutes ago, survivalshop said:

    I do  .

     Here's an example , you work on Bikes , if you worked on a factory bike & their was a component that was installed a certain way,  by the manual  and you got a factory authorized component that was installed opposite the way the manual described , How would you feel about that , what would be the words from you mouth or thoughts about it , if you spent a fair amount of time trying to figure out why it was not attaching they way the Factory Manual described ? Sure you can say , I have a great deal of experience & would not fall into this backwards made component , but you are not everyone & some may not have the experience you do to figure it out .Its why Assembly/Disassembly Manuals are made .

    Bigbrew did right to contact the manufacturer of this component that had the attachments that did not conform to ANY manual for assembly/disassembly of said component & he got it disassembled and I have to hand it to Faxon for their commitment to changing to the Manuals , be it a TM or other , specifications . 

   You can say what you want , I'm not commenting here to cut a business down or harp on a Manufacturer , I always try to be honest with my opinions & say so , I don't apologize for my observations , its just an opinion & everyone has one .

 As far as which way the pins go , for attachment purposes , it really doesn't matter , as long as they are done properly ( except they are not to spec's in any manual ) the thing about them is that on someone making a period correct AR , they are not correct for that period & some do care about such small things . 
 In my experience , working on & restoring Vintage HD's , some for show , if you put a Bolt in that was not period correct & Finnish , you get points off for that bolt being wrong , like it should have been Cadmium Plated , not Chrome , Stainless Steel or plain . Sure this rifle is not going to a custom gun show , but some do want these things to be correct .

 Just look at the Threads on this Forum about making a correct original AR 10 or SR 25 & see if they would stand for something not correct .

 

Thank you Survival. But it does say "SPECIALIST" under his screen name. I should have paid more attention. 

[survivalshop]

4 minutes ago, BIGBREW said:

Thank you Survival. But it does say "SPECIALIST" under his screen name. I should have paid more attention. 

    He is , he is very well versed in the AR world & many others  , he just has a different way of describing things , its good to listen to his advice . 

[BIGBREW]

15 minutes ago, survivalshop said:

    He is , he is very well versed in the AR world & many others  , he just has a different way of describing things , its good to listen to his advice . 

I would sure like to. But where I come from respect isn't given and I'm sure that goes for many people here. 

I came to this page to seek advice abs share a common interests with others. If I feel like your talking down to me ill give it right back. 

I would love to hear his advise but don't talk to me like I'm a dummy. That being said maybe we can move forward. 

[BIGBREW]

Survival gave me a tip on a non tapered delta ring.  Grabbed one from Brownells. Thing is off by a hair and won't seat down over the handguard. 

[BIGBREW]

Never mind. 

[shepp]

Just now, BIGBREW said:

Never mind. 

Lol

looks good

[jtallen83]

That rifle sure looks familiar, good work!

[survivalshop]

 Do you plan on replacing the Upper Receiver to a A1 type ?  

  Nice looking rifle , by the way . I like them both ways , A1 & A 2 styles .

Edited February 28, 2017 by survivalshop