blue109 Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 Looks like a 2015. evaluation showed PMAGS to be the best magazines. The ARMY decided to spend the money to develop their own mag anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNP Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 You can't just make wild claims and show no proof....ask CNN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 12 hours ago, blue109 said: Looks like a 2015. evaluation showed PMAGS to be the best magazines. The ARMY decided to spend the money to develop their own mag anyway. You can do that kinda shit when it's not on your dime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 Who do you think is going to manufacturer these new Mag's ? Magpul , maybe . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 robo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 On 9/19/2017 at 7:10 AM, blue109 said: Looks like a 2015. evaluation showed PMAGS to be the best magazines. The ARMY decided to spend the money to develop their own mag anyway. In 2015, the Army decided that most of the magazine failures were because of the followers in the mags. Instead of buying the MagPul followers (that they tested), then changed it up and had their own made. Changed the position of the top round in the mag. Fucked up training habits big time with it. "Where's the top round in the mag?..." Here's the "improved tan follower" against the older green follower. Here's a "tan follower" and the MagPul follower. Here's how the MagPul followers have changed. Big Army didn't want to pay money to MagPul - so the ripped the primary changes and move the "hump." Fuckers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 Makes you wonder how much Politics have or had to do with some of their choices . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNP Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 Somebody had a cousin who could make them for twice as much as Magpul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 30 minutes ago, DNP said: Somebody had a cousin who could make them for twice as much as Magpul Or knew the green back hand shake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted September 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 Why buy PMAGS when we can copy them for twice the price? Like how they "developed" their own camo pattern that looks exactly like multicam but one of the colors is a slightly different shade. Guess Crye Precision didnt have good enough hookers and blow to keep the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, blue109 said: Like how they "developed" their own camo pattern that looks exactly like multicam but one of the colors is a slightly different shade. Guess Crye Precision didnt have good enough hookers and blow to keep the contract. This is it, right here. You nailed it. They solicit for great shiit - and they get great shiit from great companies. Exactly AT that point, some fucking cheapass beancounter jumps in and tells them to change something in the slightest way, then contract THAT out to a manufacturer. Lowest bidding manufacturer... "We need you to make THIS..." They went super-cheap-corporate. There's zero room for that shiit in the defense of this nation, but they've done it anyway. One of the many reasons I'm glad to NOT be a part of that process/organization anymore. They've burned enough really good companies in the last decade - they'll soon find out that the people that really DO have the answers for them won't even enter a bid in their "solicitations" anymore - because those companies know that, in the end, they'll get fukked... Edited September 24, 2017 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNP Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 I bet China could crank out those plastic pieces pretty cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted September 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 You can get clones of everything magpul makes for about 1/20th the price at DH gate or one of those other chinamart websites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 Lancer mags provided me a good example of how crucial tolerances can be for followers. Just a couple hundredths difference between an older version and a new one caused them not to function in my Matrix build. I have helped the local NG Armorer test mags they bought in bulk from Brownells, said he tries to run them from full three times before he puts them in the mix but has trouble getting the ammunition to do it. He said the same on followers, nearly every feeding issue he has come across was related to the follower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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