shepp Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 This plant closed 8-10 years ago it had been in my home town for 100 years. My great grandfather, grandfather and father worked there. It built farm equipment, fueled the war effort and build millions of automobiles. I watched my dads suburban built from paint to the test track one night/morning in the late 90’s there. One day my junior year of highschool my old man asked me what I was going to do with my life cuz I sure as hell wasn’t gonna work in that plant and talked me into going into the trades As a kid the stack was always bright white with a blue tip and GM in white letters on it, I always thought it looked like a big cigarette, first 6 years of my life I grew up 4 blocks behind the view of this video, my cousin less than a block to the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armed Eye Doc Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 It sucks to see the past get torn down like that, especially when it has personal meaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 When they tore down U.S. Steel So. works now lake Shore drive runs right through the middle of it. Sad a lot of good jobs lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mineralman55 Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 In an earlier lifetime, I worked for U.S. Steel as a research mining engineer in their Monroeville, PA office. I had a chance to tour through all their big steel plants on the Monongahela and Ohio Rivers. They're pretty much all gone now, as are the coal mines I worked. Geez, now that I think about it, that was a long time ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 I saw steel tapped at the furnace run out like orange/red soup. Shaped by a stack of cards being read. Made into plate,rod, beams and alloy's. Fukin amazing. Time fly's my brother 👍. Hope you and your family are doing well brother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 Well that suks......but wasn't it Polaris leaving a town in your state for Mexico, and leaving the town in ruins not too long ago? Wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 30 minutes ago, washguy said: Well that suks......but wasn't it Polaris leaving a town in your state for Mexico, and leaving the town in ruins not too long ago? Wash Polaris was Minnesota, I believe. Thank God Wisconsin still has Oshkosh industries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) Sisco they are in Minn but the plant was in Osceola WI the move crushed that town.....I would never buy or sit upon an effin Polaris Wash https://www.grandforksherald.com/business/2140575-polaris-exec-defends-plan-shift-manufacturing-mexico Edited April 29, 2019 by washguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted April 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 4 hours ago, washguy said: Well that suks......but wasn't it Polaris leaving a town in your state for Mexico, and leaving the town in ruins not too long ago? Wash I know they do some stuff south of eau Clair which is 4 hours north of here but I’m not sure. This was one of their oldest plants its been around since the turn of the century. ****Actually it woulda been 100 years old this year had it still been operation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janesville_Assembly_Plant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 17 hours ago, washguy said: Sisco they are in Minn but the plant was in Osceola WI the move crushed that town.....I would never buy or sit upon an effin Polaris Wash https://www.grandforksherald.com/business/2140575-polaris-exec-defends-plan-shift-manufacturing-mexico That’s right. And yes it did. Osceola is a beautiful little town too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 Trying to find a job that has a pension plan is getting harder to find. Tough to get by on SS alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 8 hours ago, unforgiven said: Trying to find a job that has a pension plan is getting harder to find. Tough to get by on SS alone. Amen. The retirement system in this country has become a dumpster fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 The concept of retirement as not working past a certain age is less than 100 years old. Why do people think this is something that will work for a society? It is a socialist principal foisted on the world by the progressive movement and their banker masters with its sustainability based on a Ponzi scheme. It works for fewer and fewer people these days because that is the nature of the Ponzi scheme. I honestly think it has damaged this country and it was known it would by the establishment that sold the idea. How can it be a good thing to separate the most knowledgeable and skilled in the workplace from the younger generations in need of training and guidance. Beyond just work skills the older among us are irreplaceable in their life knowledge, isolate them from the younger generations and it becomes easier for the establishment to rule. It was bad idea that has caused long term damage in hopes of fixing a short term problem, In another century people will wonder what those twentieth century idiots were thinking when they institutionalized “retirement “, if they ever shake loose the chains. Liberty First. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 I teach this skill that ive learned over the years and the youth just look at you and drool or flip you off and do it wrong.. Id love to retire and let them fall on their face. Then my skills become more valuable.. anyone of these kids could do what I do if they just listen. I will always have work! Getting tired of babysitting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 (edited) My retirement was based on hours worked. I earned it all. Just buried my brother Bob Beecher, lost his fight with cancer within 7 mos. He wasnt out a year, he worked forever.My dues enable my wife to live comfortably with full medical. Also based on my hours. Edited May 1, 2019 by unforgiven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 Nobody wants to work hard... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 (edited) Bob Beecher was, I assume a hard worker and retirement can sicken a hard worker! keep busy bro! use it if you get it! its not long before its in the past. or to expensive for the gov to cover it.. newbs better listen up! Edited May 1, 2019 by sketch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 Uncle Sam is paying me 10 cents on the dollar in my retirement ...the rest is in a lockbox ....God Bless America Wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mineralman55 Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 10 hours ago, unforgiven said: Nobody wants to work hard... Not totally true. I loved working hard plying my skills. But my company, like so many other big corporations, didn't want older folks around. You have too pay them too much, and, what the heck, they're replaceable with younger folks at a much lower rate of pay who don't question stupid management decisions. Several of my contemporaries at the office were in the same straits as I, as their evaluations were deliberately sabotaged for no apparent reason. Reason? Cost. Move the old guys out, young and cheaper ones in. However, that's a false economy. Think a newbie has the same experience and knowledge as an old hand? Apparently, most companies think it's a good trade off. I'm loving my retirement. I get up every day and thank God I have the means to sit back, relax, and do whatever I want. Had to eat a lot of excrement sandwiches over 41 years to get there.😝 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 I left because of the pain in my foot. I loved what I did. Construction is not for the weak. Glad you are doing good brother 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted May 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 I met a vet at the bar a month or so back, lost both legs to an IED. He kept apologizing for kicking people or stepping on feet, The bar was packed. We got to talking after he said sorry to me and that I understand told him about my grandpa who lost his legs in a train accident in the 40’s. This guy then went on to tell me about how he’s in the IBEW and what keeps him going is working harder than the two legged fucks and telling them they had no excuses. I really wish I woulda got his name he was inspiring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 You didn't see many polio survivors in the building trades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armed Eye Doc Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 1 minute ago, unforgiven said: You didn't see many polio survivors in the building trades You are awe-inspiring. I bitch when my new shoes cause a blister. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 (edited) On 4/30/2019 at 8:21 PM, jtallen83 said: The concept of retirement as not working past a certain age is less than 100 years old. Why do people think this is something that will work for a society? It is a socialist principal foisted on the world by the progressive movement and their banker masters with its sustainability based on a Ponzi scheme. It works for fewer and fewer people these days because that is the nature of the Ponzi scheme. I honestly think it has damaged this country and it was known it would by the establishment that sold the idea. How can it be a good thing to separate the most knowledgeable and skilled in the workplace from the younger generations in need of training and guidance. Beyond just work skills the older among us are irreplaceable in their life knowledge, isolate them from the younger generations and it becomes easier for the establishment to rule. It was bad idea that has caused long term damage in hopes of fixing a short term problem, In another century people will wonder what those twentieth century idiots were thinking when they institutionalized “retirement “, if they ever shake loose the chains. Liberty First. Nice rationalization if you are a corporate CEO who has raided the company retirement system to increase shareholder value and establish golden parachutes for himself and his upper management team. Which happens to be an even newer trend then that of “retirement”. I assume then you will be rejecting your retirement plan? Of course not. The point is that the concept of retirement gave impetus to people putting up with the drudgery and physical damage of a job, particularly a tough one like the trades. I would rather see forty million or whatever put into employee pension plans, then as a bonus for a short term CEO for “increasing shareholder value” often by eliminating the company pension plan. Corporate and upper management greed is a large part why pension plans have disappeared. The triad of industry used to be workers, management, and shareholders. Now the system is skewed towards benefiting management and shareholders at the expense of workers. It needs to get back to an equal balance benefitting all three. Edited May 2, 2019 by Sisco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 Corporations with a pension plan.... Pharmaceutical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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