98Z5V Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 My MAIN ISSUE is with something that can think they can CALL... "You are 0.3 mils LOW!" When that person does NOT have a ranging reticle, in MILS, in their spotting scope, or binos. THAT is Bravado, bullshiit, and not accurate. But it sounds tough to everyone else, that's at the match. First thing THEY think is "Wow! This guy really know his shiit!" And NOT. It was guessing, from the get go. Sounds cool though - until it backfires on you, as the Spotter, and someone calls you on your shiit calls... Someone that really knows... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 At distance, I can actually fuq you up with a set of these binoculars. This is not common. This is the reticle in them. This isn't civilian shiit, and very few civilian companies even know this is a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 For someone to be cocky enough, without a real ranging reticle etched into the glass of their binos, to accurately measure what they are calling on you - Someone telling you that "You are 0.3 Low" - is just guessing. Sounds tough, though. Motherfucker, they sure SOUND like they know what they're talking about. They don't. That was Bravado - looks cool in the crowd. Most people believe it, and think they know what they're sayin.... Reality is different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, 98Z5V said: Hardly EVER. It's a special set of glass, if you have a ranging reticle in it. Those aren't normal. Military Steiner Binos - those have a MIL ranging reticle in them. Commercial, civilian stuff - very rare. Some do, though. In this case I was talking about - no ranging reticle. Guesses about what people were shooting. Bad guesses. Spotting, you don't know what some asshead is running, no idea - it's either Mils or MOA. No clue. Most snotty Spotters ASS-ume Mils, and call that, arrogantly. Hey, might have that MOA shooter on the line. That's a SPOTTER PROBLEM... Whence doing this shiit for a minute, you LEARN... CALL TARGET SIZE. That's what a GOOD SPOTTER does. Don't care what you're shooting, Mils or MO-AHS, doesn't matter. I'm calling your last splash in relation to the target - "you were LOW ONE TARGET, and HALF TARGET LEFT!" If I do THAT, as a spotter, I don't have to worry about what your reticle system is - and I don't care what you're shooting. I gave you an accurate call, based in dirt flying, and YOU figure out what your next step is gonna be, for correction... My input is yours - decision now is yours. Roger that thanks for clarification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 Had some damn great spotters today, for the match. Was a great day. I'm here to talk about something else. You guys remember what I've said, when we started shooting 1 Mile about 4 or 5 years ago. 1760 yards is a Mile. Well, that's a STATUTE Mile. We upped it a couple years ago, and wanted more. More than 1760 yards. So in Jan 2023, we set up 2,000 yards. 2k yards is a NAUTICAL Mile. You guys remember the talk. Run into a guy at a party, that everyone at the party wants you to like, but the stories he tells are kind off... SO, wtf, engage. "Oh yeah man, I shoot a Mile, TOO!" Yeah, really? What are you shooting? What caliber, what's your load, what's your dial - for the Mile" Crickets, and gibberish. The questions backfire, and are redirected back at you. What's YOURS? Oh, easy, for the 1760 Mile, it's just a bare bones Remington 700 Mountain Series with a Timney Trigger, an old-ass Nikon 6-24 scope that's SFP, with an EGW 40 MOA mount, and I have to zero the damn thing at 500 yards, because if the internal scope travel of that Nikon. I'm 16.9 Mils at a Statue Mile, 1760 yards. More crickets. So, you explain the difference between a Statue Mile (1760 yards) and a Nautical Mile (2000 yards) - and you get eyeblinks... Best thing to do is say, "I've smashed both..." Drop the mic and just walk away... @Magwa, I can fully dial 103.1 mils. That's 354.4 MOAs... Pay attention @Matt.Cross... This is a Game Changer... I can almost dial (6 mils short) of 4k yards - with my Slow Load. 300 A-Tips at 2650 fps. Unreal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 Got my Ivey mount in. It's a 60-mil mount. It actually dials 68.5 mils, before it hit the internal stop, right after 68.5 mils. This thing is a different world... Everything is about to shake up, for the ELR game we've been dabbling in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 Next weekend, we're dedicating the time to establish a legit, real, 3520 target location. We won't have a target up, but we're surveying everything via laser range finger and ON-X, and we'll have a real 3520 target that we're gonna shoot, in the Spring Shoot. Proof of Concept for the Fall Shoot this year. After next weekend, we'll have 5/8 rebar stakes IN the ground, at 3520 yards from the shooting platform on the hill. Someone is gonna hit it. Right now, I only know of 3 guns that will do it - and Gun Pusher John isn't bringing that .375 Chey Tac out for it... So, we're down to 2... Let's Party... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 Ivey has landed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted Wednesday at 01:34 PM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 01:34 PM my winter program is prone setup practice form getting comfortable behind the gun. Once everything is worked out to where i can relax then i am dry firing a gazillion times and counting to myself how many seconds to 2500 3000,3500, ect....all the while teaching myself to hold that trigger in the pulled position till the round reaches the target.....it is weird but I am getting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooterrex Posted Wednesday at 06:08 PM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 06:08 PM Follow through is important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt.Cross Posted Wednesday at 10:55 PM Author Report Share Posted Wednesday at 10:55 PM On 2/11/2026 at 8:34 AM, Magwa said: my winter program is prone setup practice form getting comfortable behind the gun. Once everything is worked out to where i can relax then i am dry firing a gazillion times and counting to myself how many seconds to 2500 3000,3500, ect....all the while teaching myself to hold that trigger in the pulled position till the round reaches the target.....it is weird but I am getting it. Developing the muscle memory for recoil management is a good time investment, the sooner the sight picture returns to natural point of aim, the better your odds of spotting your own impact, and a quick correction if necessary for a follow-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted Thursday at 03:45 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 03:45 PM 16 hours ago, Matt.Cross said: Developing the muscle memory for recoil management is a good time investment, the sooner the sight picture returns to natural point of aim, the better your odds of spotting your own impact, and a quick correction if necessary for a follow-up. indeed time well spent... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted Friday at 02:59 AM Report Share Posted Friday at 02:59 AM What we know so far - projectile flight time to one mile is right around 3 seconds. Flight time to 2905 was around 8~9 seconds. Flight time to 3520 yards will be more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted Friday at 03:30 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 03:30 PM 12 hours ago, 98Z5V said: What we know so far - projectile flight time to one mile is right around 3 seconds. Flight time to 2905 was around 8~9 seconds. Flight time to 3520 yards will be more. The key here that I am trying to get better at is staying on the gun not just pulling the trigger and letting someone else tell me where I hit , I want to do it myself so by staying on the trigger, squeeze and hold I stay in the same shooting position as when I made the shot. It is hard to make the shot and NOT get off the trigger cause that is what you normally do pull the trigger then let go of it ,and when you let go of it it is subconscious but it changes the position you are in you relax. I want to stick with the whole process till my bullet lands, I want to know and read the shot myself if I can then here my spotter give correction and be able to confirm or know he did not see while I might see.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camotruck Posted Friday at 04:50 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 04:50 PM My Ivey landed about 3 weeks ago. I also picked up a Long Shot Precision Bag Rider. Got er dialed in wed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted Saturday at 01:59 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:59 PM 21 hours ago, Camotruck said: My Ivey landed about 3 weeks ago. I also picked up a Long Shot Precision Bag Rider. Got er dialed in wed. hell yeah get ready boom boom boom......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camotruck Posted Saturday at 02:53 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 02:53 PM 54 minutes ago, Magwa said: hell yeah get ready boom boom boom......... Flash go the lights! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted Saturday at 06:21 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 06:21 PM On 2/13/2026 at 7:30 AM, Magwa said: The key here that I am trying to get better at is staying on the gun not just pulling the trigger and letting someone else tell me where I hit , I want to do it myself so by staying on the trigger, squeeze and hold I stay in the same shooting position as when I made the shot. It is hard to make the shot and NOT get off the trigger cause that is what you normally do pull the trigger then let go of it ,and when you let go of it it is subconscious but it changes the position you are in you relax. I want to stick with the whole process till my bullet lands, I want to know and read the shot myself if I can then here my spotter give correction and be able to confirm or know he did not see while I might see.... This is the precise process that you have to go through to check your Natural Point Of Aim (NPOA). Trigger follow through all the way through recoil management, sights back on target, round impacted. You described it well. I preach it all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt.Cross Posted Saturday at 10:30 PM Author Report Share Posted Saturday at 10:30 PM On 2/13/2026 at 10:30 AM, Magwa said: The key here that I am trying to get better at is staying on the gun not just pulling the trigger and letting someone else tell me where I hit , I want to do it myself so by staying on the trigger, squeeze and hold I stay in the same shooting position as when I made the shot. It is hard to make the shot and NOT get off the trigger cause that is what you normally do pull the trigger then let go of it ,and when you let go of it it is subconscious but it changes the position you are in you relax. I want to stick with the whole process till my bullet lands, I want to know and read the shot myself if I can then here my spotter give correction and be able to confirm or know he did not see while I might see.... One of the big keys to this is setting your position up as much as possible to minimize muscular input. The less effort you have to exert to maintain your NPOA, the more optimal that position will be for shot follow-through and return to NPOA. Bipod height and preload are big factors, if your bipod is not under some natural preload when your body is fully relaxed, it will be harder to regain control of your sight picture during recoil. I like to start with mild preload for a relaxed prone position, and then use minimal forward pressure with my toes to adjust in slightly more tension for the shot. For me, I want my NPOA to be reticle center mass on target with my body completely relaxed and breath 80% exhaled, with no muscular input exerted. I also try to support my head as much as possible via the rifle, and thus minimize muscle use in my neck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted yesterday at 02:31 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 02:31 PM 20 hours ago, 98Z5V said: This is the precise process that you have to go through to check your Natural Point Of Aim (NPOA). Trigger follow through all the way through recoil management, sights back on target, round impacted. You described it well. I preach it all the time. i know you do, i have heard you talk about it ,i have been lazy and not put the work in trying to change that..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted yesterday at 02:39 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 02:39 PM 16 hours ago, Matt.Cross said: One of the big keys to this is setting your position up as much as possible to minimize muscular input. The less effort you have to exert to maintain your NPOA, the more optimal that position will be for shot follow-through and return to NPOA. Bipod height and preload are big factors, if your bipod is not under some natural preload when your body is fully relaxed, it will be harder to regain control of your sight picture during recoil. I like to start with mild preload for a relaxed prone position, and then use minimal forward pressure with my toes to adjust in slightly more tension for the shot. For me, I want my NPOA to be reticle center mass on target with my body completely relaxed and breath 80% exhaled, with no muscular input exerted. I also try to support my head as much as possible via the rifle, and thus minimize muscle use in my neck. yes exactly what i am working on relaxing behind the gun, it is not easy for me to take my time slow down quit thinking so much and just let the process work, I have always been a hyper type person . Now I am really starting to be stove up with arthritis in my neck hands, and joints prone is hard for me now I have to work on it 75 years old now all my hard living, working, and playing and being stupid is taking it's toll and that is ok that is the price you pay for following the dreams you have ,now I am going to follow another dream get relaxed behind the gun and shoot 2 miles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted 19 hours ago Report Share Posted 19 hours ago Well, brother, then I have great news for you... 2.00 Miles is verified, as of 10:30am local SDTF Time. The 5/8" rebar target posts are 7'10" long, and buried 2 ft in the ground. The target location is easy to drive directly up to in the truck, so setting and recovering the target will be a complete piece of cake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armed Eye Doc Posted 15 hours ago Report Share Posted 15 hours ago Awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 18 hours ago, 98Z5V said: Well, brother, then I have great news for you... 2.00 Miles is verified, as of 10:30am local SDTF Time. The 5/8" rebar target posts are 7'10" long, and buried 2 ft in the ground. The target location is easy to drive directly up to in the truck, so setting and recovering the target will be a complete piece of cake. let the fun begin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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