imschur Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 U.S. Navy Culinary Specialist 2nd Class Kenneth Crutchfield grabs an M16A2 rifle magazine during a sighting exercise at the Navy individual augmentee combat training course at Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst, N.J. U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Jonathan Chandler/Released The Army has ordered that soldiers may use only government-issued magazines with their M4 carbines, a move that effectively bans one of the most dependable and widely used commercial-made magazines on today’s battlefield.Despite the success of the PMAG, Army officials from the TACOM Life Cycle Management Command issued a “safety of use message” in April that placed it, and all other polymer magazines, on an unauthorized list.Read the rest of Matthew Cox’s report at Military.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 So you're saying there is going to be a HUGE surplus of used PMAG's hitting the market? <munch> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jgun Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 I wonder if this will have any detrimental effect on the developement of polymer mags. I'm thinking that if the military don't use them, that has to be a big financial hit for companies like Magpul and Surefire, and Troy. I'm just wondering if they will continue to work on developing new ones, if they can focus their resources on other products that are sold to both military and civilian markets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 There is more behind this than we will ever read . If your one of those who like conspiracy theory, here's one , a Democrat ( or just a supporter )sells/makes the mil spec ones & doesn't like the competition of the Pmag & calls his bro "BO" & asks him to "Fix ' it.There are more I can think of , one being as usual , the military procurement specialists are idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telluwhat Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 When I read this my first thought was that someone "in the loop" was not making the $, so they had the ruling made to keep the $ in their cow so they can continue to milk it. Sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 If your one of those who like conspiracy theory, here's one , a Democrat ( or just a supporter )sells/makes the mil spec ones & doesn't like the competition of the Pmag & calls his bro "BO" & asks him to "Fix ' it.This seems to be a common belief... Have you been infecting other sites with your paranoia? Borat Obama wouldn't do that to his soldiers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imschur Posted May 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 It's always about the money in these cases. Greed beyond party lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 It's still all politics... Although it give a whole new meaning to the GREEN PARTY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffreyC Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Democrats, liberals, aren't they the ones who went to the airport to spit on returning soldiers ?As was said, follow the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imschur Posted May 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 When you study any of these issues with weapons you see that greased palms often prevail over what's best for the guys with their boots on the ground.This reminds me, you guys ever see the movie "Pentagon Wars" ? While a lot is made up I dont think it's a stretchhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon_Warshttp://www.amazon.com/The-Pentagon-Wars-Kelsey-Grammer/dp/B0007TKND8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moagm316 Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 I for one can tell you that procurement does not make decisions like this. We only order to the specs of the customer a.k.a. the guys in uniform. Contracting buys what the soldiers want. We may assist in writing a PWS for a service contract, but for supplies we buy what the customer wants. So please don't blame it on procurement. Yes there have been some bad apples, but those guys are found out and should be punished for what they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 Maybe ,procurement was the wrong field or word I meant . I should have said who ever makes the decisions to procure equipment , what ever title they put to it .It just seems odd , that they would ban for use a piece of equipment that the people in the field want & is superior to what they are getting.It just stinks ,very badly . Does any one know who makes this decision ? Is it a panel or just one bone head? If just one bone head opr panel of them , what's there name(s) & rank ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 Heard there is over a million Pmags sitting in a warehouse waiting for a military contract.I'll be picking up a case of them when they go on sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrraley Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 it's not who you know... it's who you blow... <lmao> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imschur Posted May 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 Last night I read the problem was the PMAGS arent compatable with the M27 IAR which is an issue in the field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 OK , so they dump the Pmag because the Marine corps is going to buy a little over 4K of this new SAW & how many M16/M4's are in use .Ya lets purchase a weapon that is not compatible with any of the mags we have in use , made by a foreign co. , If I'm wrong about this , do tell. Its what I read , because I didn't know what the M27 was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 M27 IAR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 That's the same thing I read . Still , it is no excuse to ban a mag (Magpul ) that won't work in 4500 rifles , out of all the M4's in /M16's in service .Unless this is going to be the new service rifle for all our armed forces , its just not adding up , there's more to this decision , probably never know the real reason (s). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 agreed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 Unless this is going to be the new service rifle for all our armed forces , its just not adding up , there's more to this decision , probably never know the real reason (s).My guess is H&K already has a polymer magazine that will fit everything in inventory...and they just pulled some strings.Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 Do the guys in the field get to chose the ar manufacturer for a personal work rifle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 My guess is H&K already has a polymer magazine that will fit everything in inventory...and they just pulled some strings.JonOr made the rifle in such a way as to let it work with mil spec mags ( & there plastic mags ) & not Pmags.I know this can be done ,because I have a CMMG lower that will not work with the Pmag , but any manufacturer's steel mags work fine.CMMG did make the receiver before the 308 Pmag was made, so can't really blame them . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrraley Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 UPDATEhttp://308ar.com/forum/firearm-industry-news-and-gossip/army-now-says-no-ban-on-rifle-magazines/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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