US ARMY looking to purchase CSASS

[BLKSHEEP]

http://soldiersystems.net/2012/07/31/us-army-seeks-m110-compact-semi-automatic-sniper-system/

I'm sure KAC will get this contract to >:(

[98Z5V]

They sure didn't give "interested parties" very long to respond - deadline for response in entering a product is August 14th, 2012...  :cookoo:

I'm sure KAC, Larue and LMT will enter.

(^^^ no pun intended, Drew...  <laughs>)

[jeffreyC]

It is not a request for bids, but asking if the makers think they would be able to do it, that should not take too much time to figure out.

That requirement for 36 inch length means it will be a collapsible stock. 

[98Z5V]

I know - they basically have two weeks to determine if they can make something to meet the requirement, and enter, stating they can.  Typically, the process is a hell of alot longer than that, to respond, and sometimes years before the product has to be in for "evaluation." 

This has to be some short-suspense project, with quick fielding.  <dontknow>

Based on what the major requirements are, KAC does all that in-house. 

[Robocop1051]

It's not that hard of a build. Get a UBR and free float a modular handguard over a 16" carbon fiber bull barrel.

Someone write the Army and tell them I'll pump these out for $5k a piece.

[98Z5V]

But, can you put out 375 325 of them a month?...  I think the start was 125 a month, with the capability to do 375  325 a month.

I'll be over to your house, to help...  <thumbsup> <laughs>

[Robocop1051]

At $5k ea, I have enough vacation time saved up to take off all of September. You bring the beer. I think we can do it.

[98Z5V]

You know, we have to test fire all of them...  <thumbsup> :2nd:

[jeffreyC]

I would not want the two of you to get blisters on your trigger fingers, so out of selfless concern for you I hereby volunteer my services as a test firer.

[98Z5V]

If we ("we" = "Robo") can pull this off, then rest assured that you have a job yanking triggers.  <thumbsup>  ;D

[planeflyer21]

But, can you put out 375 325 of them a month?...  I think the start was 125 a month, with the capability to do 375  325 a month.

I'll be over to your house, to help...  <thumbsup> <laughs>

I can hear Robo now..."We've been working our asses off and I know we had enough parts to build 400.  Where the hell did I put them all?  On an unrelated note altogether Tom, did you blow out the shocks in your truck?  It is riding awfully low."

<laughs>

Jon

[Jgun]

As noted above, unless they were to come up with a new shorted receiver (not likely), Your looking at a 16 or 17" barrel. I think that to make the 9 lbs limit you might need to go with a CTR or equivilant and a light weight contour barrel. Based on the experiences of our members, it would seem that the CF barrel manufacturer's that I know of would have a tough time meeting those quota's.  I guess if you built a test gun with a heavier barrel  and weighed it, you'd be able to see how much (if any) weight needed to come off to meet the requirement.  I would think that if accuracy was the goal, you'd like a heavy contour barrel if it would make the weight.

[Robocop1051]

A quick thinking business would buy the carbon fiber technology from one of the current manufacturers. I'll bet a few hundred grand and a promise/contract not to sell to the public would buy everything needed.

[392heminut]

At $5k ea, I have enough vacation time saved up to take off all of September. You bring the beer. I think we can do it.

Since I'm retired I can help out too! Have to be a sit down job for the next couple of weeks though, I broke my foot! <lmao>

[planeflyer21]

I'm not retired but seeing as this is for our military, I'll help out.

I will test fire 200 rounds through each example for function testing, and will only charge standard federal prevailing wages.

I'm considerate that way.

Jon

[unforgiven]

Hope your foot gets better brother Larry.That river dancing will hurt ya. <lmao>

[98Z5V]

I think that to make the 9 lbs limit you might need to go with a CTR or equivilant...

Jgun, I'll wager that the B5 Systems SOPMOD stock goes on there - it's already in the system, and they're the current SOPMOD stock contract provider.  <thumbsup>

[BLKSHEEP]

Are there any carbon fiber stocks out there? <dontknow>

[392heminut]

Hope your foot gets better brother Larry.That river dancing will hurt ya. <lmao>

Wasn't river dancing, but it was something almost as stupid! :P

[survivalshop]

I believe KAC already has the shorter version.

[Jgun]

Is the B5 lighter or shorter (collapsed) than the ones that I am familiar with, CTR,MOE,ACS,etc?  And since we're talking stocks, has anyone tried the Troy collapsing stock?

[98Z5V]

Is the B5 lighter or shorter (collapsed) than the ones that I am familiar with, CTR,MOE,ACS,etc?  And since we're talking stocks, has anyone tried the Troy collapsing stock?

The B5 isn't any shorter than the others - just another AR carbine collapsible stock.  Not sure on weight, but I'd bet the specs on it are in that Gear Scout stock-destruction article, probably with weights.

One thing it is:  It's a genuine SOPMOD stock, and it doesn't have LMTs pricetag.  It's about half what LMT wants for their version of the SOPMOD. 

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2012/02/01/buttstock-bashfest-gearscout-finds-out-just-how-far-tough-talk-goes/

[98Z5V]

B5 - 342 grams

LMT SOPMOD - 328 grams

CTR - 252 grams

STR - 351 grams

UBR - 666 grams

[Airborne89]

From what I understand KAC has this in the bag with the new SR-25. The Army just wanted to see what the rest of the market had to offer. It has a 16' barrel with a rifle length gas system and the Magpul STR stock.

The funny thing is, I was working on my MA-Ten build at the same time as KAC was working on the new SR-25 and we came up with almost the same thing.