blue109 Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 I hear you. As a LEO, I loved a well armed law abiding citizen. I hope that these officers are voicing their displeasure to their first and second line supervisors. Sadly, the guys that are feeling the pressure from this are the small and medium sized departments outside of the liberal enclaves. Patrol officers that will get to your house or child's school first are the ones that are feeling this. As bad as it is to say, that is a good thing since there are more guys like them than they are like me. Large departments are loaded with class III weapons, suppressors, and all the other goodies that they issue to their officers. Those are the reasons I say that until the brand name big boys get on board, this will only be so effective.the people (generalization) of these states have chosen to elect the officials who have made these decisions. they have chosen to let the government protect them instead of making an effort to protect themselves. let the officials figure out a way to arm those they designate as our sole protectors. i would be more than happy to see every manufacturer stand up to this legislation, and have their LEOs patrolling with sharp sticks. bet you would see some reversals real fast. this obviously wont happen, and each and every one of us will have a sharp stick in our bedside table drawer for protection in a few generation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seasprite Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 If you check out most gun forums, some are using this just to trash LEOs. It is quite comical. No sane person gets into LE thinking they will be liked or even popular.Until you need one <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 You are right about the elected officials finding away to arm the police. They will! Even if ever U.S manufacturer stopped selling, you can bet FN, HK, and other foreign companies will throw their hat in the ring. It's one thing to hold individual LEOs to the same Laws as private citizens because they are citizens just like you, it's another thing to think that the Federal, State, and Municipal Governments are going to abide by any such set of laws.What we absolutely do not want to happen is the pro-2nd amendment movement to appear irrational, combative, vindictive, and threatening. The world is watching and for every cool headed person that brings a logical argument to the Left, there is some guy talking about disarming police or bunkering down with his SHTF rifle and years supply of canned goods in a storm shelter. We have got to stop arguing amongst ourselves about poop that ain't gonna make any true impact and get ourselves, our family, our friends, and co-workers politically engaged in this. The left is of one mind....take all guns. Meanwhile we are applauding that some Rural Deputy in NewYork can't buy a CMMG poop box rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Until you need one <thumbsup>So true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 No one person or group of people should ever be painted with the same brush.I will take that sentiment to my grave.Don't think the guy responding on behalf of the Armalite corp.was the right person to do that.The same respect and admiration that I/we have for our brothers and sisters of our armed forces also extends to L.E.O.s you wear a uniform you put a target on you'r back for some fukin nutjob.For the time I have spent on this rock the common denominator I have found is: we want to grow old with our family,watch our kids do better than we did,and to see one more sunrise.We all put our pants on one leg at a time and we all bleed red.A rational and educated response to those that would discard the constitution for there own selfish gains is the way to victory.Hearts and minds.Save the killing for those that actually would to harm to our families and ourselves.Those motherfukers are out there.Rene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imschur Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Just so Im very clear here and not directing this towards anyone but this thread has all the earmarks of one of these that can go bad at any moment. I will not let this topic escalate the way the AR15.com threads did. Not in the least. This discussion is not as black and white as it might appear on the surface, not even close.As was stated previously we need to spend less time fighting amongst ourselves.Lastly the person who responded from Armalite is a friend to me and has helped others here many times over. I will defend him as I would any of you close to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLKSHEEP Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 The manufactures that don't stand up and support our cause will be forever boycotted by me period. I own a LWRC and i'm waiting for a reply to my post on there website & FB page about where they stand on this issue(I think I know) They're fixing to be at the top of my poop list!!! :bat:This is the best list i've found. http://www.thepoliceloophole.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 This is more than about guns , its an attack on the Constitution , no matter what Amendment. You don't see any of the propaganda machine saying we should get rid of the first amendment , but it would go, if the 2nd. was gone , as would all the others.This is a movement that has been going on for as long as I can remember , they always said , this country can not be over ran from the out side , we are too strong militarily ( not to mention the largest standing civilian army/militia in the world ), we can only be taken over from with in & that's is what is truly going on .These people need to change that to change our society to a more socialist one like Europe & they can not do it, with out gutting the Constitution ! This is not about LE or what they can get,that non LE can't . What they have done is , divide to concur & they have done a fine job of it over the years .We need to revamp our voting laws so people can't vote six times & get away with it or have an absentee ballet if they are not really absent or not alive any more .This is the most corrupt administration that I have ever seen in my life, including the elections . I'm beginning to think they are all in this together & just taking turns raping us, the tax payers.The true villains here are not LE , its our politicians ! We need to stand up & be counted , stop saying your vote doesn't count , it does & we need to get the millions out there who don't vote to get out there & make there voice be heard !I feel so much better now <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted February 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 The manufactures that don't stand up and support our cause will be forever boycotted by me period. I own a LWRC and i'm waiting for a reply to my post on there website & FB page about where they stand on this issue(I think I know) They're fixing to be at the top of my poop list!!! :bat:This is the best list i've found. http://www.thepoliceloophole.com/ Kick-ass!! Added that to the bookmarks!Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imschur Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 I have to go to the flower show so I will be brief.All the companies on these lists know the measurable financial impact of their absolute position. It's quite easy to take a stand when the financial impact is minimal and nobody loses their jobs. It could also be used as a business tool to hurt a competitor(s).Would it benefit us of suddenly Glock, S&W, Sig, HK, FN etc had to lay off 75 percent of their workforce in the US for refusal to fulfill contracts? Yep we will show them.This shit is going to go down in many states. Protests are not working. Local govts are bypassing due process. This shit is going to be fought out in courts across the nation. That's going to take a lot of money from the firearm industry.As Survivalshop points out, dont get caught up in the divide and conquer game. Focus your efforts on the common enemy and not the industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 I know I sound like a broken record, but please continue to donate to pro-2nd amendment groups. Being a member isn't enough anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 my issue is more about LEOs and ret. LEOs being allowed to personally purchase items that are banned to citizens than departments issuing those weapons to on-duty officers. i dont think these guys are patrolling the neighborhood on their off time. i understand that some depts. cant afford a stocked armory or cant afford high end gear blah blah. if its an issue than let the depts. find a way to buy some colts. this brings us to the real contradiction though. they want to ban these weapons so criminals cant get them....but they need to keep LEOs armed to the teeth so they wont be outgunned by the criminals.....who supposedly cant get these weapons anymore. if these bans keep the guns away from criminals, than the LEOs dont need them either. if criminals can still get the guns, than the ban has failed. this isnt an anti leo position...its an anti scheming corrupt NWO government position. we live in a very apathetic selfish society. i am guilty of it myself. many of the "more equal" people who can still get the banned guns will put in a half assed effort to fight for the rest of us. even worse....many will start to believe they are "more equal" than they already are. the hostility and division will expand exponentially. these companies that are making a stand are forcing the playing field to be equal. they are encouraging unity, and they are adding soldiers to the ranks who will fight this sort of legislation. we joke about the crappy companies who have started this roll, but we are only a month into these new laws and the list is respectable with others joining daily. as the list grows and pressure builds others will join and it will become a big deal. i saw a list that included midwayUSA. i havnt looked into it but if its true i will be impressed. they will certainly get my business over the other big retailers who have not made the stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLKSHEEP Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Y'all make very valid points, everyone must pick their battles. I will choose to support the companies that are sticking their necks out and making a stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
392heminut Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Drew, just for the record, as a retired LEO I don't feel like I've been ostracized by anyone in this thread. I do feel that the law enforcement loophole is BS and support the companies that are taking this stance. It's not that I feel that law enforcement shouldn't have access to stuff that the citizen has, but the other way around, citizens should have access to whatever law enforcement has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 It's not that I feel that law enforcement shouldn't have access to stuff that the citizen has, but the other way around, citizens should have access to whatever law enforcement has.That is the best I have ever seen it put. <thumbsup> <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 I agree 100%. After all, that is what the 2A is meant to be all about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 ^^^^^ <thumbsup> <thumbsup> Fuk yea! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted March 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 It's not that I feel that law enforcement shouldn't have access to stuff that the citizen has, but the other way around, citizens should have access to whatever law enforcement has.Agreed.I'd take it a step further to say what is inventoried by the Army and air forces as well. Clinton was the one that signed the moratorium on civilian purchases of retired combat aircraft.Either we can be trusted or we can't.Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guill732 Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Agreed.I'd take it a step further to say what is inventoried by the Army and air forces as well. Clinton was the one that signed the moratorium on civilian purchases of retired combat aircraft.Either we can be trusted or we can't.JonShould be the same with the ground vehicles. There's no good reason surplus HMMWV's shouldn't be for sale to the general public. I can import a Russian APC for $30,000 but can't buy a old humvee!? DOT still won't give any definitive reason why they won't allow this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted March 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 I see surplus humvees for sale.What is this you are referring to?Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guill732 Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 You can't legally buy humvees directly from a US military sale. What you are seeing is probably either 1) humvees that were given to police or other gov dept besides the military then sold to the public, 2) a demilled humvee that was put back together (which greatly jacks up the price to put it back together), OR 3) a humvee imported from an allied country that uses them. The US military must demil humvees by cutting the frames and smashing the body panels. The only time I have found a sale from mil to the public was back in the late 90s when the Marines sold 3,000 or 4,000 non-demilled but shot up humvee frames at gov auction, but that was a special case. You can't just go to a mil surplus auction and buy an old humvee like you can the old 5 tons or 2 1/2 ton trucks. Also, all these MRAPS from Iraq and Afghan campaigns won't be available to the public. The humvee sale ban is supposedly due to Dept of Transportation saying they're not safe for sale to the public but won't give definitive reason why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 After the testimony of Milwaukee Police departments chief Flynn at the senate hearing for a new assault weapons ban. Midwest Industries has made the decision that we will not support the Milwaukee police departments need for any of our products. If they do not believe in supporting and defending our second amendment rights for all qualified gun owners we do not wish to do business with them . Thank youMidwest Industries inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 While Bravo Company has made a great many friends with the fine officiers that serve in the Milwaukee Police Department, regrettably as of today, we will no longer do business with Chief Edward Flynn and the Milwaukee PD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 I got an email from Wilson Combat & they are in also . I will see if I still have the email to post it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 I got an email from Wilson Combat & they are in also . I will see if I still have the email to post itAfter years of dealing with them, I had Zero doubt about which side they would fall on. Those are some top notch folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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