gnatshooter Posted May 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Ya advertise you don't have them & this is what you get . http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/05/22/Restaurant-With-No-Weapons-No-Concealed-Firearms-Sign-Robbed-At-Gunpoint Maybe the thing to do is put a sign on your front lawn that says, "My neighbor doesn't have guns". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted June 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) The National Rifle Association (NRA) just recently issued a memo on the topic of open-carry long arms: Click on the link for the full article, that also discusses firearms with --Good Citizens and Good Neighbors: The Gun Owners' Role - National Rifle Association - May 30, 2014http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2014/5/good-citizens-and-good-neighbors-the-gun-owners-role.aspx [excerpts]As gun owners, whether or not our decisions are dictated by the law, we are still accountable for them. And we owe it to each other to act as checks on bad behavior before the legal system steps in and does it for us. If we exercise poor judgment, our decisions will have consequences. ...just because something can be done doesn't mean it should be done. In each case, gun owners would do well to consider the effect their behavior has on others, whether fellow gun owners or not. Yet while unlicensed open carry of long guns is also typically legal in most places, it is a rare sight to see someone sidle up next to you in line for lunch with a 7.62 rifle slung across his chest, much less a whole gaggle of folks descending on the same public venue with similar arms. Let's not mince words, not only is it rare, it's downright weird and certainly not a practical way to go normally about your business while being prepared to defend yourself. To those who are not acquainted with the dubious practice of using public displays of firearms as a means to draw attention to oneself or one's cause, it can be downright scary. It makes folks who might normally be perfectly open-minded about firearms feel uncomfortable and question the motives of pro-gun advocates. Edited June 2, 2014 by gnatshooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 As usual, the NRA is political, and when called upon, limp. I guess that is why they still exist. Baffles of men openly carrying longguns is the true purpose of the second amendment. Because when the second amendment is truly needed, that is what we will be doing. To say no one really needs the longgun, and that they probably wont use it, is EXACTLY what the liberals say about us carrying our pistols, concealed or otherwise. By using this argument, we give them validity, and empower them. They are just as likely to need that rifle, whatever their cause for carrying it, as I am my pistol. And if they do end up needing it, they will be much better off than I am. Dont give these liberals an inch! It is our duty to retake the last mile we have given up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted June 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Marine gets death threats after confronting Texas assault rifle activists on public street - Raw Story - June 2, 2014http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/02/marine-gets-death-threats-after-confronting-texas-assault-rifle-activists-on-public-street/ [excerpts] A Marine veteran in Texas was forced to change his phone number and is now carrying a gun with him at all times after a confrontation with members of a gun-rights group on a public street led to Internet death threats. James Henry told KDFW that he had decided to film members of Open Carry Tarrant County protesting with assault-style rifles for his production company over the Memorial Day weekend. Henry said that things got heated, and the men eventually followed him back to his vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt.Cross Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Yeah, talk about recruiting, he's carrying full time now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 that open carry group in TX is to gun rights what the westoro church is to Christians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 sheesh... People have no respect for firearms or life. But with our nations protection of criminals, how can we expect this gun movement to work? We just have to continue doing what is right, and hope that we can at least slow the decline of our rights so we have something to pass on to our children outside of a communist factory job :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted June 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) As usual, the NRA is political, and when called upon, limp. I guess that is why they still exist. Looks like Beachmaster called this one. NRA apologizes to pro-gun extremists for calling them “scary” and “weird” - Salon - June 4, 2014http://www.salon.com/2014/06/04/nra_apologizes_to_pro_gun_extremists_for_calling_them_%E2%80%9Cscary%E2%80%9D_and_%E2%80%9Cweird%E2%80%9D/ [excerpt] Well, that didn’t take long. After momentarily flashing some measure of sanity and independence by asking open-carry activists not to congregate at Chipotle and other fast food restaurants, the NRA has apologized for saying that walking around in public with an assault rifle slung over your shoulder is, to many people, “scary” and “weird.” Appearing on NRA radio, Chris Cox, NRA spokesman, described the whole incident as “a distraction” and a “mistake.” “There was some confusion,” Cox explained, “we apologize, again, for any confusion that that post caused.” Cox went on to say that the initial statement ”shouldn’t have happened” and described it as the “personal opinion” of its author. Edit: Here's a more normal news account of this situation: NRA Apologizes: Texas Gun Protests Not ‘Weird’ - Wall Street Journal - June 3, 2014 http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/06/03/nra-apologizes-texas-gun-protests-not-weird/ Edited June 4, 2014 by gnatshooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Well Gnatshooter, I can't totally agree with you on this, which is ok. But what I want is for them to stand strongly behind out rights, drop this "sporting use" crap, and stop backing away from gun rights every time something controversial comes up, which is what I feel they do. After sandy hook I remember them saying something about assault rifles not being necessary, and now this. What I meant by them being limp is that they act like they are only for a little bit of our rights when talking to the libs, and they act like they are staunch supporters of gun rights when talking to the right. They appease the libs by saying we are crazy and rude to carry a longgun, which I staunchly disaggree with, then they turn around and say sorry when they find out we didn't like it. They exist because they are politicians, and they talk out of both sides of their mouth. They are limp. They are fence sitters. The dudes making comments and threats to people was wrong, but I fully support them carrying longguns around. But I do understand what you are saying. Reguardless, them carrrying their longguns around is not simply a second amendment issue, it is more importantly, a first amendment issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted June 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Beachmaster, Actually I think we're mainly in agreement. Basically, the NRA was anti-open-carry to appease the restaurants until they got a pushback from Open Carry Texas. Some people -- including liberal leftist progressives -- claim that the NRA is actually more interested in representing firearm and ammo manufacturers than their 'consumer' membership. I don't know how true that is. Either way, I wonder if anyone has a sense of whether Gun Owners of America is more consistent about where they stand on things. I haven't joined a group yet and would like to know who is "honest enough to stay bought". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 The NRA is often times the WORST thing about the 2nd Amendment. Literally for decades they refused to take ANY gun rights cases to court. This led to the Heller vs D.C. case being picked up by GOA and SAF led the NRA to say we were going to lose all our rights...until it started looking promising. Then the NRA wanted to take the case over. Fortunately the coalition said "Kiss off!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Oh ok, im trackin now. Hey, if you own both sides of the war, your guaranteed to win right? Im sure the Nra is owned by the same people who own Bloomberg. Nobody really cares about the specifics of these theological debates except for us peasants. Lol the laws dont apply to them anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) It always troubles me when I hear people blow off the NRA , with out them we would be in worse shape , as far as our second Amendment rights . I don't for a minute believe Blowhard & the NRA are cohorts. If we want to keep our rights , we need to stick together & any pro Second Amendment org. should be supported as much as possible . Some of the stuff you may think you know about the NRA is probably good propaganda from the Anti's. The you hear & read on the internet is not always the truth or even part of it . A lot of you are young & have not been through what some of us older members have , I'm the NRA & will always be . Edited June 5, 2014 by survivalshop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microgunner Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Yeah, me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted June 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Police: Man allowed to carry assault rifle along Lafayette roadway - WTHITV - June 4, 2014http://wthitv.com/2014/06/04/police-man-allowed-to-carry-assault-rifle-along-lafayette-roadway/ excerpts:An Indiana man who is protesting losing his driver’s license is now walking around town carrying an assault rifle. He said he’s walking in protest after losing his driver’s license in April after he refused to pay a fine for several infractions including failing to signal and possession of multiple licenses. Lafayette police say as long as he doesn’t point his rifle or threaten anyone, he is within his rights to carry a gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Yeah, me too. I am also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 It always troubles me when I hear people blow off the NRA , with out them we would be in worse shape , as far as our second Amendment rights . I don't for a minute believe Blowhard & the NRA are cohorts. If we want to keep our rights , we need to stick together & any pro Second Amendment org. should be supported as much as possible . Some of the stuff you may think you know about the NRA is probably good propaganda from the Anti's. The you hear & read on the internet is not always the truth or even part of it . A lot of you are young & have not been through what some of us older members have , I'm the NRA & will always be . Then you should be old enough to remember when the NRA quashed the member revolt in the 1970s, with many of the current and recent board member crushing the "we demand out 2nd Amendment RIGHTS" movement with Neal Knox at the helm. What we got is a political Washington insider organization, with a typical Washington "You sit down and shutup, we know what's best for you" attitude. The NRA can make all the claims they want but if it hadn't been for the GOA and SAF, the 2nd A would never had made it to the SCOTUS. :soap: Rant off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 I can probably look up instances that there Washington insiders helped stop antigun legislation, its all the way you perceive it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 I can probably look up instances that there Washington insiders helped stop antigun legislation, its all the way you perceive it . I can see that point of view. I'm just trying to fulfill my obligation as an angry white male. :rant2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 I am an NRA member as well. We need all we can get. I guess as gun owners we are just up against such a formidable wall of stupid that seeing any pro gun body or individual cave, or perceivable cave, can get me all fired up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 I support NRA, GOA, and Georgia Carry..as well as a few others single issue firearms groups. I support them know that this issue is a highly political issue (whether we like it or not..it is) and that if these organizations are to be successful in Washington, they have got to play the same political games as the Anti-2A groups do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted June 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 I am an NRA member as well. We need all we can get. I guess as gun owners we are just up against such a formidable wall of stupid that seeing any pro gun body or individual cave, or perceivable cave, can get me all fired up. Absolutely true. But it's also good to know if your Association will sell you out to nervous chain restaurants. I'm still on the fence on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 I agree. I want to make sure that if I send my dollar, and voice my opinion, that my dollar will go further than the aspca and peta... groups that I despise both for their cause, and because of how they line their pockets, and groups who's members might be as strongly convicted (logically so) for their cause. I dont want to be taken advantage of by anyone, but especially not of someone claiming support of the second amendment. I am just critical, and the NRA has not always properly reflected my, or our views. But they have done good also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 I don't think they sold anyone out. I think they were trying to appeal to a larger crowd. If you think we can continue to stave off the anti-2A crowd without an increase in membership and support, then you are incorrect. Whether we like it or not, a overwhelmingly large portion of this country isn't down with people strapped with rifles going to restaurants and shopping centers. I don't like it, but that is where we live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microgunner Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 All NRA staff derive their income from members. They are going to carefully navigate the anti gun minefield to protect that income. They will derive no income by selling their members out. Anti gunners will not offer them a job. I believe some critics attempt to paint simple solutions onto very complicated situations. I'd imagine being on the inside is a very hot spot for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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