gnatshooter Posted July 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 Now it's Target... or 'Tar-jay', as some call the chain store. Here’s The Latest Major Chain To Tell Customers With Guns They Are No Longer Welcome - Western Journalism - July 2, 2014Following the lead of several restaurant chains that have made similar pronouncements in recent months, retail giant Target recently informed shoppers that they are encouraged not to bring firearms into any of its nationwide locations anymore. In a blog post Wednesday, acting CEO John Mulligan said his decision on the “complex issue” of gun rights was made after careful consideration. “As you’ve likely seen in the media,” he wrote, “there has been a debate about whether guests in communities that permit ‘open carry’ should be allowed to bring firearms into Target stores.” While he contends the chain will continue to “follow local laws,” he seems to offer a contradictory statement in the following sentence. “But starting today,” he wrote, “we will also respectfully request that guests not bring firearms to Target – even in communities where it is permitted by law.” The text of Target's "open letter" can be found here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 They haven't accomplished anything with that statement, except to fool the anti-gunners into thinking they have some sort of a victory - when they don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Armory Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 This is terrible for us. This is the kind of stuff that sets us back, because one idiot thinks he is exercising his rights. Causing a tense situation, even before law enforcements' presence, is going in the wrong direction. Does anyone really believe by going out, raising a raucous, and claiming it's your right , that you are really advancing public opinion on the positive aspects of open carry? How about quietly carrying your pistol open, not drawing attention to yourself, and go about your business. I applaud the officers on scene for the way they handled the situation.I is my mentality ! Carry your pistol in its holster and don't raise any attention to your self. The open carrying of AR's in public is not what the open carry movement needs to help its cause. It just helps the anti's because it makes us look like radicals and not sensible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted July 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 I have to wonder if militias take part in civic parades. That would be a good environment for open carry, and come with a good rationale, and would send the right message, and be a lot more 'normalizing' than showing up at Target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 Fuk Target,it's not unlawful here to carry in any store.I don't shop there but I'll go in packin cause I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) It appears as if normalizing isn't working. If you weapon is appropriately concealed, they will never know.....at least for those whose states don't prohibit carrying in business. Edited July 3, 2014 by StainTrain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted July 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 If everyone did open carry, people would realize how few of us there really are. So with concealed, we could be present in any numbers, anywhere. Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 If everyone did open carry, people would realize how few of us there really are. So with concealed, we could be present in any numbers, anywhere. Just a thought. Yeah...65% of legal adults is a pretty small number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted July 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 Yeah...65% of legal adults is a pretty small number. I was not aware that there was a state where 65% of legal adults carried sidearms. Which state is this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 I was not aware that there was a state where 65% of legal adults carried sidearms. Which state is this? You're not aware of alot of $hit. Your awareness-level doesn't make that a "norm" for anything, just because you didn't "know that." You basically need to just shut the fuk up about alot of stuff. instead of running your mouth. That's my $0.02 on your bul$hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 (edited) .... Edited July 4, 2014 by blue109 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 If everyone did open carry, people would realize how few of us there really are. So with concealed, we could be present in any numbers, anywhere. Just a thought. I was not aware that there was a state where 65% of legal adults carried sidearms. Which state is this? "If everyone did open carry..." Swiss study shows that the USA has enough firearms to arm 9 out of every 10 residents (men, women, and children). The latest figures show ownership of firearms at about 65% of the population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted July 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 (edited) You're not aware of alot of $hit. Your awareness-level doesn't make that a "norm" for anything, just because you didn't "know that." You basically need to just shut the fuk up about alot of stuff. instead of running your mouth. That's my $0.02 on your bul$hit. 98Z5V, Isn't that a bit harsh? Nobody knows everything. Edited July 4, 2014 by gnatshooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted July 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 "If everyone did open carry..." Swiss study shows that the USA has enough firearms to arm 9 out of every 10 residents (men, women, and children). The latest figures show ownership of firearms at about 65% of the population. Ok, I thought you were saying there were that many people carrying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted July 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Veteran Arrested And Charged For Legally Open Carrying AR-15 - Examiner - July 3, 2014http://www.examiner.com/article/veteran-arrested-and-charged-for-legally-open-carrying-ar-15Last Saturday, Mack Worley, eager to exercise his second amendment, open carried his rifle while grabbing a soda and viewing a fireworks stand before attempting to walk back to his car. Worley then noticed as many as seven police officers pointing their guns at him, demanding he remove his firearm. Police also ordered Worley to turn off his cell phone which was recording the incident which Worley refused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgecrusher Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Fucking moron. What the hell did he think was going to happen? That couldn't have been a worse time. He deserves it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 I was just about to post the same link! Edgecrusher, I respect your opinion, but I whole heartedly disagree. I understand the opinion that we need to quietly and responsibly exercise our rights and try to not make a scene, but to this, I am coming to also strongly disagree. These liberals, in my opinion, are too stupid to try to appease. They will ALWAYS want more. If we dont carry our rifles, and open carry our pistols while wearing a suit, they will complain. If we conceal carry, they will complain. If we dont conceal carry, and keep our firearm in the car, they will complain. If we keep our rifles at home, they will complain. If there is no way to appease someone outside of absolute submission, screw em! It is not time for us to lie down or give an inch. Although I would personally like to see a higher class person shown open carrying on the news, we also have to realize that what is passed around on the news and on Facebook is purposefully tailored as a tool against us, and is not an accurate portrayal of gun owners as we are, but is instead how our govt wants us to look to the uninformed. Because they want to keep the uniformed uniformed, that is how power has ALWAYS been held. No, I agree with the dudes open carrying rifles. If the every day citizen saw every man who had a pair carrying a rifle and acting like a gentleman, and saw no crime arise from it, it still wouldn't set in, but criminals would think many times before committing a crime. Heck, Obama would probably orchestrate a mass shooting or shoot out to make them look bad, its not like he hasn't done it already. But they reality is that we need to win. We need straight police who uphold our constitution, and we need to win by whatever means necessary, because if we loose another inch of our rights we wont have anything more to stand on. This man is a prime example of how police are, ONLY IN CERTAIN CASES, abusing the law and neglecting their oath. I am sure it is harder every day to be a good cop, and my prayers go out to those who are such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 I think as an answer to the title of this thread, no, I do not believe the open carry movement has gone to far. I believe the open carry movement has not gone far enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 and beach blasts in out of left field for our daily dose of freedom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgecrusher Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 (edited) I'm all for freedom, but common sense needs a place too. I'm not sure what a fireworks stand is, but do his state laws prohibit open carry? Also, why is everyone trying to prove their open carry point by walking around with rifles? In the current court of public opinion, they are baby killers. While we know that to be incorrect, you won't be helping anyone's cause by drawing negative attention to yourself, especially to try to prove a point. The officers involved may have acted differently than reported, but we don't know, because we only have one account. No offense, but just because there's print in the media doesn't mean that A. it's true or B. All the facts are published or C. they only printed what they wanted cause they needed a story. How about this: If the open carry movement wanted to exercise their 2nd amendment rights to bring about positive public awareness, organize or alert law enforcement prior so that they don't have to respond to a person or persons randomly walking down the street with rifle with unknown intentions who can pose a serious public safety threat. Edited July 8, 2014 by edgecrusher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Open carry is legal in Washington, but is frowned upon, and is largely unknown. Also, the video the guy took with his phone has been released, and has been posted on info wars. The police officer, Hernandez, said that the suspect was not breaking any laws, but forced the guy to follow commands that were not possible, after knowingly braking their constitutional oath, to have a reason to arrest him. Kinda like what happened to Thomas Kelly... tasing someone who can not obey your orders because your sitting on his chest tasing him, and using that as a reason to continue tasing... But it is a good idea, if you want to publicly open carry, to let police know before hand. That being said, I open carried a pistol in Kentucky going about my every day activities. A decent number of people open carry around here, but they are all older guys. Since I am younger, I had police called on me multiple times, but was never confronted by police. I know, because while not in uniform, one of the officers said they got a lot of calls about me, and he thanked me for carrying, saying he knew I got alot of crap for it. The only reason I open carried was I was new to ky, and I was waiting for my ky ccdw. But whether you are in hicksville ky, or hippyville Washington, people are stupid, and police are usually better, but its no guarantee. Dont cater to stupid. We do need to be professional and responsible, but dont give the left an inch. If you want to carry a rifle because you think its cool, go for it. You dont need a need to exercise a right. And police need law to enforce, not personal feelings or theology, otherwise they are just punks with badges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhulesAu Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 (edited) Veteran Arrested And Charged For Legally Open Carrying AR-15 - Examiner - July 3, 2014http://www.examiner.com/article/veteran-arrested-and-charged-for-legally-open-carrying-ar-15Last Saturday, Mack Worley, eager to exercise his second amendment, open carried his rifle while grabbing a soda and viewing a fireworks stand before attempting to walk back to his car. Worley then noticed as many as seven police officers pointing their guns at him, demanding he remove his firearm. Police also ordered Worley to turn off his cell phone which was recording the incident which Worley refused. Why is everyone jumping on this story, almost a YEAR after the fact?? Arrest date was 29 June 2013 Edited July 8, 2014 by PhulesAu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 It is just getting out because the video was just FINALLY released, and the dude is going to court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 bang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
392heminut Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 I agree that open carry of an AR-15 without having a specific reason such as going to a range to shoot or some other good reason is not the brightest decision. As has already been stated, even though you can lawfully do something doesn't mean you should. Having been a street cop for 23 years and 20 of those years spent as a shift supervisor, and based just on the facts in the article I would have to say Mr. Worley has one heck of a lawsuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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