survivalshop Posted June 8, 2014 Report Share Posted June 8, 2014 I found this article interesting & at the same time , right & wrong . http://finance.yahoo.com/news/gun-control-look-second-amendment-093000221.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 IMHO, there isn't a gun problem. The rules for obtaining one legally are in place, effective, and have been proven for years. There is a huge problem with mental health in this country. There is a block on the 4473 that addresses mental health. However, the system for reporting those disqualifying issues is straight broken. Broken. There's also a block on the 4473 for convictions of domestic violence, all the way down to the misdemeanor level. THAT system WORKS. Get convicted this week, you won't be buying firearms next week. The Lautenberg Act. Now, how is it that we can put in place and enforce domestic violence convictions with this reporting system, but we can't find a way to fix the mental health reporting system... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 You can blame HIPAA regulations for the failure of the mental health reporting system. Privacy, yes, but there should be a point where that should give way to public safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 ^^^ And that is fukked up. HIPAA should not be able to extend that far, and it's someone's interpretation that it does... At this point, once you have been adjudicated mentally defective OR have been committed to a mental institution, it's not about HIPAA anymore. It's a legal issue, not a medical privacy issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 IMO those are all symptoms of the real problem: "nobody" has mental illness today, they're just going through a little trouble is all. Nothing some drugs won't cure. It is an arrogance that assumes previous generations had no compassion nor moral compass when dealing with batshit crazy people...and they are batshit crazy...when the opposite is true. Lock them up with other insane people. Worked for centuries. Somewhere along the way some doofus decided that locking insane people away was just as bad as lobotomies and shock therapy. Now society is reaping the reward for that thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 At this point, once you have been adjudicated mentally defective OR have been committed to a mental institution, it's not about HIPAA anymore. It's a legal issue, not a medical privacy issue. Herein lies the problem. These days, lots of qualified "mental institution" cases are being de-institutionalized. Their issues are now being downplayed/underdiagnosed as "severe depression", "acute bipolar disorder" in order to keep them out of the institution. These diagnoses all fall under medical issues and legally covered by HIPAA (no I did not make the rules but had to take an in-depth HIPAA/FERPA certification course). Why? A big factor is that insurance companies do not want to cover the cost of institutionalization - it's expensive and thus hurts their bottom line profits and bonuses. That's why our healthcare system needs severe reform. We should move out of the for-profit mentality when it comes to essential services, like healthcare, utilities, etc. I want to believe that Obamacare is just a first step, but I think the ultimate goal of a single-payer healthcare system should be the ideal. >:D (Ok... now where's my flame suit.....) <lmao> <laughs> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 ?? What is single payer?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-payer_health_care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted June 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 The article did bring up the mental heath issue & that is the big problem & it can be seen in all the mass shootings , but what I didn't like was how he was giving his opinion of the Second Amendment & how it should be interrupted to mean . Just look who he is & that doesn't surprise me. Yes, as 98 brought up , they were all over the Domestic Violence thing & a lot of LEO's were caught in the middle at first. We just have to give some real thought on how , when & why , we are going to put someone on a list of having a mental health issue. This can be abused also . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 isn't the VA a single payer system? Hows that working out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted June 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 isn't the VA a single payer system? Hows that working out? Its a perfect example , but they don't want you to know that or associate O'Buttheadcare with it . I put this in the joke of the day section ,but think its appropriate here , now . 2,700 Pages of Obama Care in 4 Sentences 1. In order to insure the uninsured, we first have to un-insure the insured. 2. Next, we require the newly un-insured to be re-insured. 3. To re-insure the newly un-insured, they are required to pay extra charges to be re-insured. 4. The extra charges are required so that the original insured, who became un-insured, and then became re-insured, can pay enough extra so that the original un-insured can be insured, free of charge to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 First off, you have to be mentaly ill to go on a shooting rampage, second there is no law you can pass that will stop people from lying (on a 4473) and if they do lie they can get a gun. we make sex offenders sign up and they are know everywhere , why not meantal ill cases OH wait it would offend someone..... HORSE $hit..... the same law abiding citizens who pay their taxes mind their own business and never even dream about shooting people are the ones who pay for the screw ups of all the others no matter if it is crime guns, insurance fraud whatever!!! The second ammendment is about the right of the people to have the means to defend themselves from a over bearing governmenmt PERIOD! it is not about hunting and shooting clays, it is a insurance policy brilliantly thought up by our founding fathers to protect us from US! and our children are not taught about guns in school except they are bad and now the numbers of anti gun ignorance is starting to out number responsible gun owners who grew up with guns.... the country is now made up of more ostriches with their heads in the sand than patriots and we are headed for a abrupt head slam on the pavement..... we have to show by example that we are good law abiding citizens that are responsible with our guns.. I am and I hope you are as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 First off, you have to be mentaly ill to go on a shooting rampage, second there is no law you can pass that will stop people from lying (on a 4473) and if they do lie they can get a gun. we make sex offenders sign up and they are know everywhere , why not meantal ill cases OH wait it would offend someone...... You're exactly on point there. In the statist/collectivist/liberal/progressive hive mind, mental illness is caused by other people. These are parents, neighbors, teachers, Gun Rights Advocates... And the Government promises to control all of these, so that they will not cause Mental Illness in poor unfortunate victims. They oughta start teaching Victimology at universities. In the US alone, successful victims likely reap a couple Billion$ annually. And from the looks of things, victimhood is a growth industry. And victims vote for Democrats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 You have long term crazy, then you have to time when something in the "sane person" mind flips the crazy switch.Finding the time to pre-ement and mitigate the horror is the key,although more times than not their are red flag warnings.In a perfect world,but there is no such thing.Not only here but around the world.That is where a good guy/gal with a firearm is needed to put an aburupt end to the violence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 You have long term crazy, then you have to time when something in the "sane person" mind flips the crazy switch.. Makes sense. Gotta wonder what flipped the switch on the Las Vegas "police ambush" shooters, and maybe what flipped for them was being kicked out of the Bundy Ranch. It will be interesting to see how the liberal/progressive press tries to spin this element -- if they even try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted June 10, 2014 Report Share Posted June 10, 2014 ^^^ As I said,more times than not there are red flag warnings.People that knew these scumbags said they had been talking about killing police for some time.Yet no one that knew them, reported them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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