DPMS GII

[survivalshop]

  There's a decent article in the new NRA Riflemen on this rifle . I know this may sound strange to you'all , but I would like to try one out .

Edited December 21, 2014 by survivalshop

[shepp]

I posted one up the other day on the FB page to from lucky gunner reviewing the SASS model of it, that one still goes 10.5 as the other models are 7.4-7.5#

[Boerboel guy]

I have a friend looking at them too. It'll be his first 308. I was hoping to see a midlength gas system on them but it really looks like a carbine gas, at least on the model he's looking at.

[Robocop1051]

Remington sent one of their guys to James Yeager's fighting rifle school. He's been swapping between the GII and the AAC MPW. They are documenting the whole thing on YouTube.

[survivalshop]

  I would like to see that video .

  For me to want to buy an factory AR of any type is strange to me . I have never bought a factory AR of any type . I still have my first build from the late seventies & have built every one I now own .

[ponce]

Go to Youtube and search for either G2  or James Yeager. There are 4 videos right now and likely  something more to come. 

[survivalshop]

  I watched the four videos  & some things said were not exactly correct .

  First & this is no big deal to me , but they were referring to 308AR's as all AR 10's , which is no big deal , the only ones that will take offense is some Armalite AR 10 owners , but they are different rifles in some ways . They did specify the GII though . 

  The Remington guy , well he works for them & this rife was sent to this group for testing , which is something I would never do for testing & expect to get the same results as if you got one off the shelf . Just to me ,its not a accurate way or with some of the manufacturers in past test firearms, an honest way of testing a firearm. Because some in the past have sent gone over or altered factory test beds.

 

  The two Ejector & fancy material extractor explanations were lame .I don't buy it , I have shot some much ammo from semi & select fire 5.56 & 7.62 rifles  & never had one fail !( I did have an extractor break in my select fire ,FNHB once , It was surplus Israeli parts & have no idea the history was on it , that I can not qualify its breaking as it failed . If it was new yes , but that extractor could have had tens of thousands of rounds throughout it & I wouldn't know )The point is I have never had an extractor or ejector fail ,except for that one . I don't like weakening the Bolt by adding another hole in it .

 

  These guy's talked like the AR 10 & other 308AR's are junk & none of them will even work the first 100 rounds ! Seems to me, they haven't shot them much , I could be wrong , but just doesn't seem like there experiences went well with the 308's . I can say I have shot thousands of rounds through both my 308 AR's with no problem ( I don't count the PMags not working with CMMG lower because it ran flawlessly with any steel mag put in it, the CMMG lower in no longer in use ) . I don't clean my AR's very much , just a patch or two down the barrel if doing ammo comparison testing , which I have been doing a lot lately .

 

   The explanation of the steel feed ramp made some sense , but I believe there is more to it than was lead on to . 

 

  The change in the Bolt Carrier Key from a bolt on to a integral extension with replaceable tube ? & he says , we got rid of the Key tail & that made more room to make the BCG smaller , well you didn't get ride of anything , where the tail of the Key was , its now an integral key , so to speak . 

 

   These guys may be the $hit in the gun world , but I feel they don't know much about the 308 Platform . The rifle still interests me & they say they will put 3500 rounds through the rifle by the end of the five day course with out cleaning , just maintenance oiling & I can't wait to see their end review.

 

  Just my Opinion .

Edited December 24, 2014 by survivalshop

[ponce]

Since I am just getting into the 308AR world I can say that it's sometimes not easy to separate the wheat from the chaff.

[Waveman227]

I think what DPMS has done here is fantastic. The G2 leapfrogs the 6.8 and 6.5 Grendel platforms. This is a .308 in a AR 15 package. Really quite an accomplishment.

[survivalshop]

  I almost dropped the hammer on one yesterday , but I will wait a while & see how this rifle does with some time . I almost became an impulse buyer , something I have never done .

[Waveman227]

I bought a Recon a month ago at Cabelas. Sure it wasn't the best price to be found. DPMS did offer a $50 rebate. Anyway, been shooting it every weekend since.

[survivalshop]

 The G II Recon  is what I'm interested in also .

[boostless]

Tag for later, was looking at this as well

[98Z5V]

Beach has one, and brought it out last Sunday - I like that rifle!  His setup is very well thought out, too.  The MI keymod VERY SMALL diameter handguard is awesome!  We'll probably need him to get some pics of it in this thread...  <lmao>

[DEER HUNTER]

I like James Yaeger but he is a hater of the AR 15 & AR .308 platform, he's an Ak, FAL and M1A guy. Which is fine I like all those rifles as well but my go to rifles for hunting and or SHTF are all AR's followed by the AK for SHTF close quarters.

[blue109]

yaeger always kind of irritated me...but after his little debacle of YouTube tufftalk against gun control....followed immediately by a "tactical retreat" and stammering tap dancing retraction, I can't stand to watch him.

[DEER HUNTER]

He is kind of a dick but I like his videos.

[FaRKle!]

He's got a pretty poor professional reputation too. He hid in a ditch when his convoy got ambushed in Iraq while the rest of his team fought it out.

[blue109]

touchy subject there for him lol. a source of many YouTube chest thumps and challenges. they even made fun of him in the last ART15 video.

Edited December 31, 2014 by blue109

[DEER HUNTER]

I didn't know that happened. Hardly the bad ass figure he portrays.

[blue109]

its on youtube. pretty long dash cam video. not very entertaining.

[FaRKle!]

Bumping this with my thoughts on the DPMS LR-308 G2 Recon.

 

Today bmoney9 and I went to the range to shoot some .308 ARs. He brought his G2 Recon (still had the tag on the trigger guard lol!) and I brought my PWS MK216 and LMT MWS.

 

We wanted to get the G2 zeroed with bmoney9's new SWFA 1-6x24 optic in SWFA Bobro mount. The choice of ammo was Remington Premier Match .308 175gr SMK (good round for the price!) loaded in 10rnd PMAGs. I spotted, while bmoney9 shot in the prone position with my GG&G XDS-2 bipod and hand on sandbags in the rear. Shortly after we had the rifle dialed in.

 

Once that was done a few more groups were shot and the rifle seemed to be running well and consistent. bmoney9 is pretty new at precision shooting and would tend to have "sub-groups" about 1" apart where a couple rounds would be right on top of each other. I figured he probably wasn't getting set up exactly the same each time which caused this.

 

I decided to take a couple short groups with the rifle to see how it handled. When I picked it up I remembered how I felt the first time I played with it and how light it felt compared to my .308s. It's surprising to think that it can even be made lighter with some of the aftermarket handguards out there. I like to think my PWS MK216 handles well when swinging the gun from target to target, but the way the G2 Recon handles is even easier.

 

After I settled in behind the rifle and loaded the trigger to the first stage, I looked down and realized this was a stock DPMS trigger unit. The trigger itself felt a bit wider than normal, but had a nice front face that helps you feel if you're pulling straight back or not. The first stage is slightly longer than my Geisseles, but not overly long like with my LMT 2-stage trigger. The second stage break is crisp and not too far off from my SSA triggers. I actually thought it was pretty good.

 

After firing a group (and coming in at 1-1.5moa), I thought how much this rifle would benefit from a heavy buffer or AR-10 buffer system. While not as harsh as one of my other friend's LR-308 Oracle, the recoil impulse was short and sharp. It didn't beat you up, but the characteristics could definitely be improved. bmoney9 and I made plans to swap it over to an AR-10 pattern buffer system (just so happens I have a spare VLTOR A5 7-position RE too!).

 

We decided to run a bit of all the ammo we had available through the gun to see how it would respond to .308 and 7.62 loads. My PWS (.308 chamber) for example, shows signs of high pressure (cratering and ejector swipe) when used with 7.62 rounds. Cratering is pretty common on the first run G2s even if there isn't high pressure due to the slightly enlarged firing pin hole, and this particular Recon showed that. The ammo we shot was 175gr SMK Remington Premier Match .308, 175gr SMK Silver State Armory .308, 175gr SMK Hunting Shack Munitions M118LR Equivalent 7.62, and 175gr SMK Federal Gold Medal Match 7.62. All rounds functioned perfectly and no high pressure signs were observed.

 

In summary, every time I play with bmoney9's G2 Recon I get the urge to buy one. It handles well, is capable of good accuracy (I have no doubt if I had shot the gun more that I would've been able to produce a better group), reliably takes various ammo, and isn't too pricey. I would definitely drop in a heavier buffer or swap the buffer system for an AR-10 pattern one. It's a fun gun.

 

 

 

My best group of the day was shot with my LMT MWS with 16" SS rifle-length gas system barrel (began life as an 18" barrel which was then cut down to 16" and dimpled by Marvin Pitts at Nefarious Arms), March-F 1-8x24mm scope, and HSM M118LR Equivalent 7.62x51 ammo.

 

 

In other thoughts, I'm continually unimpressed by my Atlas bipod compared to my GG&G XDS-2. It's not as ergonomic or easy to use, and the cant and pivot functions are near worthless. They have two settings, super stiff (almost locked) and really stiff (wouldn't be able to track while moving it and requires too much force to get it to budge thus causing over travel). The ADM QD lever isn't as easy to use as GG&G's and requires tension adjustment for a narrower range of rails (have to unlatch, then loosen the cross bolt tension). On my XDS-2 One tension setting works for almost all my rails, no matter where I attach it, while the ADM QD requires me to adjust the tension for virtually every different rail I put it on. 

Edited February 1, 2015 by FaRKle!

[novamark]

Awesome group there FaRKle!  I have a G2 Recon I bought last February. From day 1 it has had the primer cratering and the 2 extractor marks (bad). I noticed you mentioned that. Not trying to change the subject, but has there been any mention of fixing these problems? I have worked with this gun on and off and it shoots a good group at 100yds, but to show no pressure I have to back down the loads.

Thanks for advice in advance.

[FaRKle!]

From day 1 it has had the primer cratering and the 2 extractor marks (bad). I noticed you mentioned that. Not trying to change the subject, but has there been any mention of fixing these problems? 

 

If you're getting case head swipes that would seem to be over pressure. Got any pics?

 

Does it matter whether you use .308 or 7.62 ammo?

[machgman]

Has anyone modified his G2 Recon by adding the Vltor A5 7 position buffer tube?

If so, did you keep and use the DPMS G2 buffer and spring that came with the G2 Recon? How does it work and function?