870 with detachable Mag

[survivalshop]

 Just up someones ally , just what someone needs .

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2017/12/6/remington-model-870-now-with-detachable-magazine/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=insider&utm_campaign=1217

[COBrien]

The wife has already decided she needs one, 18.5" "basic" shotgun.

...and I already have my gun shop owner buddy on the lookout for one...

Anniversary or birthday is already covered!

[AngelDeVille]

So,... replace a reliable tube magazine that can easily hold more ammo, is already attached to the firearm and is faster to reload or top off with a box magazine that hold less ammo, and would take an odd sized carrier for spare magazines, and extra magazines would add X amount each to the cost of the firearm.

I'm glad Remington is on the cutting edge....

[Robocop1051]

It’s only a matter of time before someone creative makes an 8” AOW version. 

Or a 12 inch “firearm” with a pistol brace. 

[COBrien]

11 minutes ago, AngelDeVille said:

So,... replace a reliable tube magazine that can easily hold more ammo, is already attached to the firearm and is faster to reload or top off with a box magazine that hold less ammo, and would take an odd sized carrier for spare magazines, and extra magazines would add X amount each to the cost of the firearm.

I'm glad Remington is on the cutting edge....

I only see two advantages to a detachable box magazine on a shotgun:

1. Capacity is whatever you want it to be (once Remington and the aftermarket catch up...). Tube magazines are, for all practical purposes, limited to barrel length. With a detachable box mag, a company can produce a 3-, 5-, 10-, 15-, etc. round magazine.

2. Once a person becomes proficient with mag changes, it certainly shouldn't take longer to swap to a loaded mag than it would to reload a tube magazine.

Edited December 21, 2017 by COBrien

[98Z5V]

8 hours ago, Robocop1051 said:

It’s only a matter of time before someone creative makes an 8” AOW version. 

Or a 12 inch “firearm” with a pistol brace. 

Brother, did you see this one?...  

[survivalshop]

8 hours ago, 98Z5V said:

Brother, did you see this one?...  

98, I was going to post that , you beat me too it , I think Robo just read the Thread title & didn't look at the Photo's . Good example of where a Box Mag would be of real use . 

Edited December 22, 2017 by survivalshop

[Robocop1051]

 I could easily enter either side of the argument. There is an obvious attraction to being able to quickly slap a magazine into a SBS system, that normally would only have 3–5 rounds of capacity. On the flipside a shotgun is one of the worst weapons you could take into a combat situation or gunfight. No matter how “tactical” you make your shotgun, it does not change the fact that it is a mission/task specific, utilitarian, firearm. Five to ten 12ga shells will never equal the combat effectiveness of a 20/30/40 round magazine fed rifle.  A moderately trained rifle operator should easily be able to put an entire magazine into a target before a shotgun operator runs his weapon dry. Going back though, a rifle operator will never have the option of using a Less- lethal round, a breaching round, an emergency flare, or a chemical device.  At the same time, you’ll never see a precision  shot, at any distance, with a shotgun... 

I saw they made a Tac–14 DM, But my first thought was… “It could be made it smaller.”

There’s no need for a 14 inch barrel if you’re not worried about tube capacity, and if you added an SB pistol brace. I’m definitely interested in rigging up a PDW brace, similar to the old SAGE Int stocks, then cutting the front off to meet the 26.1” requirement. 

[DNP]

You made a great point for magazine fed shotguns. Much quicker and easier to switch between ammunition types with a magazine system. 

[Robocop1051]

48 minutes ago, DNP said:

You made a great point for magazine fed shotguns. Much quicker and easier to switch between ammunition types with a magazine system. 

Only if you need several rounds. If you only need one or two rounds, you can easily do an in-battery load swap. We do quick swaps from buck to slugs all the time. 

[DNP]

Good point. I don't do a lot of that, so my thoughts versus actual practice would easily be incorrect. 

[shepp]

On 12/21/2017 at 2:18 PM, AngelDeVille said:

So,... replace a reliable tube magazine that can easily hold more ammo, is already attached to the firearm and is faster to reload or top off with a box magazine that hold less ammo, and would take an odd sized carrier for spare magazines, and extra magazines would add X amount each to the cost of the firearm.

I'm glad Remington is on the cutting edge....

Think swapping mags is faster/easier than feeding a tube. 

 

 

On that note, I’d only buy this If I could retrofit other wise fuck Remington and their garbage firearms 

[AngelDeVille]

2 hours ago, shepp said:

Think swapping mags is faster/easier than feeding a tube. 

 

 

On that note, I’d only buy this If I could retrofit other wise fornicate Remington and their garbage firearms 

I disagree, I can quad load my Ithaca. Add in odd size mag carriers, where are you gonna keep them? What if you drop a single shell vs  dropping an entire mag. Plus proprietary magazine are alway expensive  

 

How mags would this be?

 

i jumped the fence to Mossberg a few years ago.

 

 

Edited December 24, 2017 by AngelDeVille

[98Z5V]

Would have been alot faster to change mags, than what she was doing.  Also looks like she dropped one or two with every "fistfull" she tried to load.

[Robocop1051]

Are the mags proprietary?

[Robocop1051]

As far as mag swaps and reloading... 

fastforward to 01:50

cant reload 6 shells that fast. 

[AngelDeVille]

For the life of me I cannot find the magazines for sale separately.

[98Z5V]

When we look at the cost of mags - it doesn't matter.

Look at mag-fed bolt guns.  AI mags are $100 each.  Accurate Mags are $80 each.  MagPul bolt action mags are around $30 each.  For another bolt gun, Ruger GSR poly mags are $40 each.  For the 308ARs, Lancer mags are $35 each.  I'll be dropping about $60 each for the mags for my 300 Win Mag.

Mag cost isn't as significant as it might seem.  It's minor, really.

[AngelDeVille]

it won't be long until the aftermarket has these available.. 20 and 30 round drum magazines..

 

[bubbas4570]

Remington just caught up with the AK style shotties that have been available for a few years already.

Nothing too new here, move along. And these aren't the droids you are looking for.

 

 

[bubbas4570]

On a serious note, the main problem that box magazine fed shotguns suffer from is deformation of the first round due to pressure from the spring on the feedlips/bottom of bolt if kept in weapon.

The longer they are kept in mag, the more deformed the rounds become. After a certain amount of time, the feeding of the deformed rounds is impossible. The time depends upon spring pressure and such. If I recall the discussions on this, even the second round becomes flattened given enough time.

[bubbas4570]

And I believe there is a drum manufacturer who makes 12 gauge drums, and they are able to load the spring pressure as needed before use.  A lot along the lines of the old AK47 drums that could be tensioned as needed after loading.

[Sharpshooter]

Okay, the video just convinced me: I gotta get me one of them drum mags! I bet I could get my limit of geese with one of them! Or maybe take it rabbit hunting! Yeah, that's the ticket!