Vegan Posted January 19, 2020 Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 New guy looking at buying a small frame 308 that allows swap of uppers and lowers. I really like the M&P10, but I'm not certain if its classified as a small frame like the DPMS G2. What I know is the POF Revolution, Adams Arms 308, Remington R10 and DPMS G2 are all small frames. But, will they swap ? Anyway, thats why I'm here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Vegan said: New guy looking at buying a small frame 308 that allows swap of uppers and lowers. I really like the M&P10, but I'm not certain if its classified as a small frame like the DPMS G2. What I know is the POF Revolution, Adams Arms 308, Remington R10 and DPMS G2 are all small frames. But, will they swap ? Anyway, thats why I'm here. It would be either Pure Luck or Witchcraft if those 5 swapped parts, and it's about a 100% certainty that they will not swap parts. You just listed 4 companies that love to produce their own proprietary parts - because that's what they do. The M&P 10 is not one of those "small-frame" .308ARs, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Posted January 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 I swear I seen that the Adams Arms is a DPMS G2 with a piston system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 Call Adams Arms and ask them. Phone-in to a human, and point-blank them with that question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Posted January 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 I will, but I'm not so sure if I'll get a correct answer. Someone who doesn't know what they're talking about will probably assume they know everything. Do you think if I called LaRue, they would tell me a Stag Arms AR10 lower would swap ? I don't think so. But guess what, they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 54 minutes ago, Vegan said: I will, but I'm not so sure if I'll get a correct answer. Someone who doesn't know what they're talking about will probably assume they know everything. Do you think if I called LaRue, they would tell me a Stag Arms AR10 lower would swap ? I don't think so. But guess what, they do. For something like this, then - why are you asking us?... If you have the answers, why are the questions being posted here?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 You do realize that there is ZERO pattern to follow in the .308AR world - there is no TDP, like there is for the AR15 family of firearms. Nothing is set, and any manufacturer can do whatever they want (i.e., PSA). There's zero guarantee that anything from any manufacturer will actually even work in the first place (Iron Ridge Arms, for example), let alone swap to a different manufacturer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt.Cross Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 42 minutes ago, Vegan said: I will, but I'm not so sure if I'll get a correct answer. At what point will you determine the answer was (or wasn't) correct? I'm surprised that you seem to think a manufacturer wouldn't have a good handle on what their product is or isn't. 48 minutes ago, Vegan said: Someone who doesn't know what they're talking about will probably assume they know everything. Possibly, but it doesn't take much effort to ask for the folks who have the technical expertise to give you a dependable answer. 53 minutes ago, Vegan said: Do you think if I called LaRue, they would tell me a Stag Arms AR10 lower would swap ? I don't think so. But guess what, they do. No, they probably wouldn't, but there are several really good reasons why: #1. Liability. They stand behind their product and can't and shouldn't guarantee compatibility with other manufacturers. #2. Profitability. #3. Impossibility. Stag Arms doesn't manufacture AR-10 lowers, they're appropriately designated Stag 10 to differentiate themselves from actual AR-10 components. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Posted January 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 Don't smart asses guys, please. I never said I have all the answers. If you see that anywhere above, please point it out. I'm here to be curtious to , so please do the same for me. Don't be the guys with thousands of post that have become bored with the everyday poop of someone new coming along asking questions you probalbly heard thousands of times. I realize it becomes mundane, but please. I don't own several 308s like alot of people here probably do, thats why I seek input. If I happen to find someone that owns several small frame 308s, then I'll ask them directly. For instance, I follow Nutnfancy on youtube. He does several reviews on many different 308s, but for some reason he never tries to see if the uppers and lowers swap. Or, if he does, he doesn't talk about it. Forgive me for taking initative to find out on my own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNP Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 I don’t think that’s the case. Of the guys who have responded, myself now included, we don’t have that answer. A phone call may return nothing, but then again - so might this forum. Someone may have the info you’re looking for, but make that phone call and then share the knowledge you gain from making it. If they blow smoke up your rear...or it seems like they do...post it up. We only have info on the things we own. There are a few guys that may have more info. Some of them are busy with Shot Show starting tomorrow, some of them only come by so often. Curious to see what answers show up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Posted January 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 My logic is, if all AR15s are standardized. Then why wouldn't all small frame 308s ? After all, they are AR15s from the mag well backwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Vegan said: My logic is, if all AR15s are standardized. Then why wouldn't all small frame 308s ? After all, they are AR15s from the mag well backwards. This shows exactly what you DON'T know -and you're blaming us for a manufacturing market for a .308AR platform that does what it wants, based on a lack of a set standard, or a set platform. There is NOTHING about a .308AR that's standardized. NOTHING. 27 minutes ago, Vegan said: Don't smart asses guys, please. Not trying to, but you're making it hard here. Really hard. 27 minutes ago, Vegan said: I'm here to be curtious to , so please do the same for me. Everyone in this thread has been curteous to you, so don't turn into an a$shole now, and demand that people haven't. Get your shiit in check. Quick, too. You're asking about small-frame ARs in .308 Win platform - and there are 4 custom manufacturers of those guns. No more. Then, on top of that, you're asking if those parts, from those 4 proprietary manufacturers will swap. You boned the 5th one - the M&P isn't a small-frame .308. YOU might be the answer here, to these rare, seldom owned small-frame ARs. There are very few people here that even own the DPMS GII. Let alone those other three over-priced answers, that are looking for a question to solve. Maybe you should buy all 4 - then come back here and be the fucking expert on it all. In the meantime, don't be blaming anyone here for trying to help you out. You can fuk yourself. Edited January 20, 2020 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNP Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 All Ar15’s are standardized because there are standard specs. No such thing exists in the 308 world. Comparability is a marketing decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunuckgaucho Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 Simply put unlike the AR-15 aka the Lego gun, the 308ARs are not standardized. I own three different 308 ARs none of the uppers/lowers are interchangable. A big part of the reason I found myself here seeking answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 ^^^ I was way less "subtle"about it. Call that my downfall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmackc Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Vegan said: I will, but I'm not so sure if I'll get a correct answer. Someone who doesn't know what they're talking about will probably assume they know everything. Do you think if I called LaRue, they would tell me a Stag Arms AR10 lower would swap ? I don't think so. But guess what, they do. For such a hypothetical question don't rely on any of us to give you the answer that you are looking for , just go buy several of those "smallframe AR10, LR308s and prove to us you are right and a really smart guy, OKAY? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Posted January 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) Thats what I mean by being asses. 1) They all advertise that the "Frame" is the same from the mag well backwards *On small frames* And I quote " the small frame is basically a AR15 from the mag well back". That would only leave the front pin, right ? 2) I realize that POF places their trigger group further backwards...so I do know alittle. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't . 3) stop being ass holes ! I'm not going to buy every fucking rifle just to find out. Edited January 20, 2020 by Vegan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 13 minutes ago, Vegan said: Thats what I mean by being asses. 1) They all advertise that the "Frame" is the same from the mag well backwards *On small frames* And I quote " the small frame is basically a AR15 from the mag well back". That would only leave the front pin, right ? 2) I realize that POF places their trigger group further backwards...so I do know alittle. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't . 3) stop being ass holes ! I'm not going to buy every fucking rifle just to find out. That's where your ASSUMPTION falls critically short. They're NOT ALL THE SAME - THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT. Yeah, but you won't listen - you already know it all, and you're saying they're all the same. Good Luck. That has to start with YOU here - Stop being an A$shole. Once you do that,so will everyone else. Don't be a Dickhead here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Posted January 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) LOL... so they're lying ? https://www.adamsarms.net/adams-arms-small-frame-308-patrol-enhanced Ok,ok...so 308ar.com is lying then ? https://308ar.com/dpms-generation-2-rifles-and-parts-upgrades/ Should I continue ? Edited January 20, 2020 by Vegan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenworks Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 18 minutes ago, Vegan said: LOL... so they're lying ? https://www.adamsarms.net/adams-arms-small-frame-308-patrol-enhanced Ok,ok...so 308ar.com is lying then ? https://308ar.com/dpms-generation-2-rifles-and-parts-upgrades/ Should I continue ? I think it's time to change out your flannel and put your nite nites on, your armpits are all wet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Vegan said: Should I continue ? Yeah, you should, because you don't even know what you're quoting here. Quote DPMS GENERATION II .308 | DPMS G2 The DPMS Generation II also known as GII and G2 is proving to be a solid evolutionary step in the 308 AR/AR-10 platform. There are now a additional AR rifle manufacturers such as Adam Arms and Zev Technologies on board. We believe the list of manufacturers and aftermarket parts vendors will continue to grow. This page will serve as the landing page for GII information as we compile it. For some reason, you think that specific announcement means that all the parts are interchangeable - and what that announcement simply stated was that other manufacturers would follow suit, like DPMS did, and make a "smaller .308AR" like DPMS did with the GII. That's YOUR interpretation of reality,right there. Nobody else's. Just yours. Where on this page - from Adams Arms - does it state that their parts are compatible with the DPMS GII? I couldn't find it, on this page? Please highlight it for me, because I think I missed it. This page here - that you posted: https://www.adamsarms.net/adams-arms-small-frame-308-patrol-enhanced Where is their statement that it's compatible with the DMS GII... You have a serious misunderstanding of this platform, and it's many variants - and you're blaming the members here for your misunderstanding. That needs corrected. Your ignorance on the platform is not out problem, not our responsibility. We can help - but we're not to blame. Fix that shiit. Edited January 20, 2020 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Posted January 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) LOL...thanks for the laugh ! 😉 Never said it was 100% compatiable. Thats the whole point of the thread, kind of. I think you're over looking the fact. I agree the website doesn't state that, but their associates do. Thats where my research over reaches your opinion. Let just agree to disagree. Sorry we got off on the wrong foot. I'm here to help ! t Edited January 20, 2020 by Vegan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Vegan said: LOL...thanks for the laugh ! 😉 t Yeah, you've given us a hell of a laugh - that's for sure. Enjoy your stay. Maybe you should eat more meat, calm your ass down a little. Edited January 20, 2020 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan Posted January 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 Nah, too much cholesterol. Enjoy heart disease...joke ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 You're gonna be fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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