MaDuce Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 Here's actual video footage of a similar incident to Sandy Hook. The big difference is that it was prevented. No on on this board will be at all surprised at how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seasprite Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 That defiantly takes some serious kahunas to stand their with a gun pointed at you for that long. I would like to think I would of found some kind of cover and drop the hammer on that guy. But I can always do that sitting here in my chair not knowing the full layout and if people near by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 That dude should have been planted long before that. There was definitely something WAY wrong with that guy, walking/dancing around all funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 I lost count of how many opportunities she had to drop the hammer. What was the end result in that standoff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaDuce Posted January 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 I lost count of how many opportunities she had to drop the hammer. What was the end result in that standoff?Police showed up and ordered him to surrender. He failed to comply so they dispatched him. I am not sure why she didn't shoot him either. None of the locals seamed to have a problem with her judgement though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
392heminut Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 That defiantly takes some serious kahunas to stand their with a gun pointed at you for that long.No, that takes a serious dose of stupidity! In that situation I would have dropped him when he first pulled the gun! There was no cover available for the SRO in the lobby, which means no discussion in my book. If hard cover was available then dirtbag gets one warning to drop the gun. Noncompliance results in being shot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 ^^^ My sentiments exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 ^^^ Fuk yea or BANG drop you'r weapon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaDuce Posted January 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 No, that takes a serious dose of stupidity! In that situation I would have dropped him when he first pulled the gun! There was no cover available for the SRO in the lobby, which means no discussion in my book. If hard cover was available then dirtbag gets one warning to drop the gun. Noncompliance results in being shot! Perhaps only she knows why, but I would imagine legal fears may have stayed her hand. There are people serving lengthy prison sentences for murder who actually used a gun in self defense. Even for me "tried by 12 VS carried by 6" is not an easy decision. But under those specific circumstances, I would have fired on him immediately for reasons I'd rather keep to myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 There are people serving lengthy prison sentences for murder who actually used a gun in self defense. Not in a circumstance like that, which was evidenced by closed-circuit video... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 JMO but you can hear the woman on the 9-1-1 call stating that the gunman is someone's brother, which indicates a familiarity with the gunman...and the SRO may have been even closer to the guy.Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 I was thinking the same she knew him and was reluctant to shoot him.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seasprite Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 No, that takes a serious dose of stupidity! In that situation I would have dropped him when he first pulled the gun! There was no cover available for the SRO in the lobby, which means no discussion in my book. If hard cover was available then dirtbag gets one warning to drop the gun. Noncompliance results in being shot!My line of thinking is I don't see any hard cover except when they go out of camera view and then the wacko is right on top of her and there so close to each other what are the chances that the bad guy is going is going to get a shot off if she drops the hammer first? I mean there just so damd close to each other I'm thinking if any of them shoot there both dead. I'm not in law enforcement so I don't know what I would do to come out on top on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
392heminut Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 There's an area called the 'T' zone that anyone reasonably proficient with a handgun could hit at that range. Draw a line across the eyebrows and down from the center of that to the chin. Anything in that zone is an instant stop, no muscle twitches, reflex reaction or anything, just a drop like a stone! I'm sure Tom or any of the LEO's here can verify that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seasprite Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 There's an area called the 'T' zone that anyone reasonably proficient with a handgun could hit at that range. Draw a line across the eyebrows and down from the center of that to the chin. Anything in that zone is an instant stop, no muscle twitches, reflex reaction or anything, just a drop like a stone! I'm sure Tom or any of the LEO's here can verify that!Well thanks for recalling that for me I totally forgot about the T section. The next time I get to the range I'm going to get some B27's and practice this area. Getting to used to center mass shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Centermass is great, but it's only permanently effective if you make a CNS hit. Nothing else in the centermass zone will drop them, but it'll damn sure slow them down and make them think about it.Different games... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Centermass is great, but it's only permanently effective if you make a CNS hit. Nothing else in the centermass zone will drop them, but it'll damn sure slow them down and make them think about it.Remember too, lots of the currently marketed self-defense/personal-protection ammo is specifically designed to NOT over penetrate! The video of the trauma surgeon talking about the overall ineffectiveness of ANY caliber handgun ammo should be mandatory watching for all of us.An emerging school of thought is to aim actual center mass, i.e., into the center of the pelvic region. Jim Cirrillo initially gave hints that this should possibly be training doctrine, reporting that on NYPD stakeout squad shootings they used to shoot the accomplices in the hip-region to prevent their escaping the store. Just food for thought, humans have some major artieries, veins, and nerves that fork off into the legs from the pelvic region. Many hand-to-hand fighting forms teach taking out the base (legs) of the opponent so they can't stand anymore.http://www.spw-duf.info/emperor.html#pelvis%20shotshttp://www.tacticalanatomy.comJon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerman Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 That was a chore to watch. No way I coul dhave taken a gun being pointed at me for so long. Several times he seemed like he was posturing up for a shot. Obviously, we do not have audio. It was obvious she knew him, and it was obvious that she was trying to talk to him and she had to have had signals that he was not going to shoot. I mean come on, she is a police officer. Sure she had justification and opportunity, but obviously felt she did not have to kill him. She was right for 13 minutes. We just don't know, but definitely a bizzare stand off.But anyway, back to the topic.... "More Guns" is not the answer!!! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt.Cross Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 He should have been dead at the "wielding a pistol inside a school" logic level. Talking is for when the gun being held is more vertical than horizontal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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