Magwa Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Brother that article does not even begin to spell the problem, we have in fact lost over 50% of all our elk and they have been wiped almost out in the wilderness areas, example 1985in the panhandle we had a 5 week elk season first 3 weeks were either sex no draw just shoot a cow or a bull and the bull to cow ratio was 50 bulls per 100 cows and the hunting was awesome, the woods had alot of hunters and life was good now today in the exact same area 10 bulls per 100 cows and NO either sex hunting and the season is 2 weeks long...... there are almost no elk there! or moose, example : the Clearwater zone where I hunt now used to have a population of over 21,000 elk now that population is a 2300 so their 20 percent numbers are BS these damn wolves have in effect runied hunting here in north central Idaho they are like a plauge of locusts and every bleeding heart tree hugging earth muffin out there wants to save them all.....! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 http://morningmoss.com/wolf-hit-car-portage-wisconsin/ This was hit about an hour north of where I live, 30-40 min north of Madison. I saw it with my own eyes, even text a friend I either just saw the biggest yote ever or there's a wolf dead on I90. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 I think we are starting to see some evolutionary changes in both wolf and coyote behavior in this area. I know that they have found that the recent migration of coyotes eastward from Michigan Wisconsin and Minnesota into the Eastern seaboard states is actually a Coyote/Wolf hybrid that is quite a bit larger than western coyotes, and shares behavior characteristics of both wolves and coyotes. They are larger, less afraid of humans, and preying on domestic animals as well as wild ones. Coyotes have been traditionally considered smarter and more adaptable than wolves to living in populated areas, but that seems to be changing. Combine the smarts of the coyote with the physical tools of a timber wolf, and you are changing the rules of the game entirely. When I see wolves around here, sometimes they are wary and take off, sometimes they just look at me and go around their business. The only time I see them lately is from a car, so I don't know what their response would be if I was on foot. Don't really want to find out, unless I have my AR or my 357 with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 I think we are starting to see some evolutionary changes in both wolf and coyote behavior in this area. I know that they have found that the recent migration of coyotes eastward from Michigan Wisconsin and Minnesota into the Eastern seaboard states is actually a Coyote/Wolf hybrid that is quite a bit larger than western coyotes, and shares behavior characteristics of both wolves and coyotes. They are larger, less afraid of humans, and preying on domestic animals as well as wild ones. Coyotes have been traditionally considered smarter and more adaptable than wolves to living in populated areas, but that seems to be changing. Combine the smarts of the coyote with the physical tools of a timber wolf, and you are changing the rules of the game entirely. When I see wolves around here, sometimes they are wary and take off, sometimes they just look at me and go around their business. The only time I see them lately is from a car, so I don't know what their response would be if I was on foot. Don't really want to find out, unless I have my AR or my 357 with me. The dnr has been denying that they are down here, I know of a guy who shot one 6 years ago thinking it was a yote in green county (north of Monroe), this acount and I've also heard romurs of them being hit on 94 between lake mills and Johnson's creek. The other think is the lack or acknowledgment of cougars in this state, up north and down here. 4-5 years ago a guy 3 min from my house opened up his barn and one ran out, after numerous ppl said they saw one, supposly a Chicago burb cop shot it a few weeks later. A friend of mine has seen one in her back yard twice in butter nut up by sisco and the dnr told her it was a bobcat, then last week two people reported one by my parents house outside of Janesville the dnr told them they didn't know what they're talking about?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 My family and I have seen three cougars in the last ten years. They are like a needle in a haystack. If you see one, you know there are a lot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 (edited) http://morningmoss.com/wolf-hit-car-portage-wisconsin/ This was hit about an hour north of where I live, 30-40 min north of Madison. I saw it with my own eyes, even text a friend I either just saw the biggest yote ever or there's a wolf dead on I90. Holy $hit, the moronic liberal PETA-inspired comments in that link are ridiculous. All those fun-loving, God's-Creatures people will only pull their heads out of their asses when the wolf eats their dog or bites them on the a$s. Edited April 4, 2014 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Holy $hit, the moronic liberal PETA-inspired comments in that link are ridiculous. All those fun-loving, God's-Creatures people will only pull their heads out of their asses when the wolf eats their dog or bites them on the a$s. Some friends of ours were at home, which has a wash running behind it. The husband was standing at the glass door, drinking coffee and staring out, when a coyote jumped their 6' wall, snatched one of their jack russell terriers, and hopped effortlessly back over the wall. She said "I was brushing my teeth when he started shrieking like a woman in the kitchen." <laughs> The remaining dog doesn't go outside unless she has an armed escort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 A friend was out with his dogs when a coyote went after their small beagle(at night). A 22 WM solved that issue with that coyote permanently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Holy $hit, the moronic liberal PETA-inspired comments in that link are ridiculous. All those fun-loving, God's-Creatures people will only pull their heads out of their asses when the wolf eats their dog or bites them on the a$s. 30 min from the people's republic of Madison all those tree hugging liberal fucks would poop their pants hell some them morons would try to pet them. I was walking off the lake in Madison Sunday with my gf and here's this yuppie broad tip toeing around the ice she yells somthing, I replied sorry ma'am I can't hear you she replies is it safe for me to be out here?? I instantly think if you don't know get the fornicate off. Instead I said "yea you should be fine" and she was in maybe 3-4 foot water max. She says ok thanks then I notice a musk rat hole I point it out and tell her watch for that as the rat popped out, she says oooooo is that a river otter?!?! No ma'am that's a musk rat be safe........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Wolves will kill every coyote, dog any canine that they can catch , all about territory I would find it hard to believe a grey wolf wolf breed with a coyote, not saying it has not happened but it would be rare there are hardly any coyote,s anywhere around here now wolves have eaten them all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 The "reintroduction" of wolves was a fucking mistake - they can make it on their own. If their numbers were down, then their numbers were down FOR A REASON. It's not like "their numbers" were done forever, and they were gone. The BIGGEST FUCKUP in that whole Wolf Reintroduction bullpoopy was in the type of wolf they brought into the park, and let loose on nature... That's what happens WHEN THE GOVERNMENT GETS INVOLVED. I $hit you not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Wolves will kill every coyote, dog any canine that they can catch , all about territory I would find it hard to believe a grey wolf wolf breed with a coyote, not saying it has not happened but it would be rare there are hardly any coyote,s anywhere around here now wolves have eaten them all... It has been verified by DNA testing. I think they have even isolated it down to where it happened by DNA signatures of The animals. Your right, a pack of wolves will kill any coyotes they run across, which has selected out for vey smart coyotes. But if you have ever seen a dog in heat? They are not too picky about partners. Any port in a storm, so to speak. Up here there are reports every few years of someone being bitten by their "domesticated" coyote/dog or Wolf/dog mix they have had for years. Dogs have an aplastic gene, unlike cats, which means different species can interbreed quite easy. A female wolf that goes off on her own, like recently happened on Isle Royale, will search for a mate to start a new pack. She was shot by a pellet gun, which nicked her heart and killed her, but she had traveled 28 miles over the ice to the mainland after the Alpha female of the pack on Isle Royale had driven her away, and nearly killed her. What the wildlife biologists like to forget, even though they know better, is that any newly introduced species population curve is like a pendulum. It starts low, expands exponentially to overpopulation, and declines a bit after they have exhausted food resources, due to starvation and disease. Sounds like that is where they are in Idaho, is still expanding fast. Rather than meddle with nature, they should leave alone and let nature fill any voids. It always does. And the system tends to be more stable that way. They have basically introduced an invasive species. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 If we wait for the evening out of the population there will be NO Elk ,Deer or Moose, left to hunt and hunting will be a thing of the past these F__King grey wolves were never in Idaho this reintroduction is a crime and the people responsible should be in prison it took Idaho almost 40 years to build the elk and deer populations it was hunters money that did it not the governments now it is washed down the toilet... F__k the wolves kill em all we just got the rule changes to hunt them all year long now and i am! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted April 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Rather than meddle with nature, they should leave alone and let nature fill any voids. It always does. And the system tends to be more stable that way. They have basically introduced an invasive species. And you see these fukin pencil necks do it over and over,wheter it's with animals,insects,fish or plants.Fukin jerks.And they do it with our money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 If we wait for the evening out of the population there will be NO Elk ,Deer or Moose, left to hunt and hunting will be a thing of the past these F__King grey wolves were never in Idaho this reintroduction is a crime and the people responsible should be in prison it took Idaho almost 40 years to build the elk and deer populations it was hunters money that did it not the governments now it is washed down the toilet... F__k the wolves kill em all we just got the rule changes to hunt them all year long now and i am! Suggestion: if it is legal in Idaho, trap them. A friend of mine does it here, and it is a lot more effective and they actually trap pretty easy. Do the right time of the year and you will have some nice skins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 (edited) true I have a trappers lic, but man to cover the country needed here is spendy in Gasoline but I have a snowmobile and a ATV so I might try it next year would have to buy about a thousand bucks in traps and snares and then find a area not being trapped but I am contemplating the idea..... Edited April 5, 2014 by Magwa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 In Wisc. You can only trap one a year, but after reading Idaho Fish and Games report I understand why they are on a crash program to reduce the Wolf population. Any chance they will provide financial assistance to bring the population down? I checked with Jim and he said to start small and set up in an area that shows consistent sign. He went to a farmer who had had some livestock killed, and the guy gave him carte blanche for all his property. I don't know trapper etiquette in Idaho, but if the wolves are feeding off any regular trappers kill and ruining the pelts, he might not mind sharing some space for your traps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 Update: My son is back from college and decided to snowshoe along a local river about 3 miles from the house. An hour upstream he came across a fresh kill. A doe was about 3/4 eaten with a lot of tracks around , fresh since yesterdays snowfall. As he didn't have a firearm with, he got out of there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted April 6, 2014 Report Share Posted April 6, 2014 this is what you find here I hope they all get killed... we solved this problem once already now we have to do it again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted April 6, 2014 Report Share Posted April 6, 2014 Hopefully it isn't long before the wolves figure out there's easy eatin's in large urban liberal centers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNP Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 Somebody should introduce those wolves to a nice gun free liberal university. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Wolf Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 I think we are starting to see some evolutionary changes in both wolf and coyote behavior in this area. I know that they have found that the recent migration of coyotes eastward from Michigan Wisconsin and Minnesota into the Eastern seaboard states is actually a Coyote/Wolf hybrid that is quite a bit larger than western coyotes, and shares behavior characteristics of both wolves and coyotes. They are larger, less afraid of humans, and preying on domestic animals as well as wild ones. Coyotes have been traditionally considered smarter and more adaptable than wolves to living in populated areas, but that seems to be changing. Combine the smarts of the coyote with the physical tools of a timber wolf, and you are changing the rules of the game entirely. When I see wolves around here, sometimes they are wary and take off, sometimes they just look at me and go around their business. The only time I see them lately is from a car, so I don't know what their response would be if I was on foot. Don't really want to find out, unless I have my AR or my 357 with me. We have a similar problem in the South but it's a Coydog. Half Coyote and half dog. I was hunting the Swamp behind my house 3 years ago and caught movement in my peripheral vision. At first I thought is was a Large German Shepard. But it didn't look right. When it dawned on me what I was looking at I pumped 5 rounds into as quick as I could. I had a hard drive crash a few months back but I'll see if I saved the pictures somewhere. This thing had the color and markings of a coyote and a German Shepard. We have two Coyote packs in my area and I kill them when I can. The story is that coyotes are so bad here because the dog track in Shorter, AL brought some coyotes here to train the Greyhounds and some got loose. A trainer who lives close to me says this is correct but his mind is not what it used to be. So I don't know for sure. I started seeing coyotes at Ft. Stewart back in the early 80's. We had a FTX we were getting ready for. I drove down to the motor pool to check on some last minute details. It was twilight, 1845 hrs with a somewhat heavy misty fog. From the Jeep headlights I caught sight of something at the far end of the motor pool. I thought it was someone's pet that got loose. I finished my detail and was close too where I saw the dog. I flashed my light around and caught sight of this coyote. The first I'd seen in Georgia. There'd been talk of pets disappearing on post and this is what I came up with. One thing is for certain, I don't go out in the woods anymore with out something on me and it's not a .22LR. We lose fawns here because of coyotes/wild dogs, wild hogs(if you see a hog and don't kill it you will be thrown out of most clubs here) and bobcats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Up here the Bears, Coyotes, Wolves, Bobcats, Foxes(yes foxes) and Cougars are responsible for fawn mortaility in that order, with Bears number one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 (edited) We have a similar problem in the South but it's a Coydog. Half Coyote and half dog. I was hunting the Swamp behind my house 3 years ago and caught movement in my peripheral vision. At first I thought is was a Large German Shepard. But it didn't look right. When it dawned on me what I was looking at I pumped 5 rounds into as quick as I could. I had a hard drive crash a few months back but I'll see if I saved the pictures somewhere. This thing had the color and markings of a coyote and a German Shepard. We have two Coyote packs in my area and I kill them when I can. The story is that coyotes are so bad here because the dog track in Shorter, AL brought some coyotes here to train the Greyhounds and some got loose. A trainer who lives close to me says this is correct but his mind is not what it used to be. So I don't know for sure. I started seeing coyotes at Ft. Stewart back in the early 80's. We had a FTX we were getting ready for. I drove down to the motor pool to check on some last minute details. It was twilight, 1845 hrs with a somewhat heavy misty fog. From the Jeep headlights I caught sight of something at the far end of the motor pool. I thought it was someone's pet that got loose. I finished my detail and was close too where I saw the dog. I flashed my light around and caught sight of this coyote. The first I'd seen in Georgia. There'd been talk of pets disappearing on post and this is what I came up with. One thing is for certain, I don't go out in the woods anymore with out something on me and it's not a .22LR. We lose fawns here because of coyotes/wild dogs, wild hogs(if you see a hog and don't kill it you will be thrown out of most clubs here) and bobcats. I used to fuk with new guys in my unit, on night drops. I'd set up the drop zones and take new guys with me. WA State, Ft Lewis. You get into the southern training areas, onto those DZs, and you were in western WA winderness. Coyotes everywhere. Anyway, send the new guys out there to set up the near and far beacons - and hit the siren on the bullhorn. Fuckin coyotes in the woodline would go apeshit, yipping and yapping. New guys would come HAULING A$S back - without having put that beacon in place. Sorry, fucker, get your a$s moving back out there where I fucking told you to go - plane comes in around 30 minutes from now, so I don't have time for your chickenshit. MOVE! They get about 2/3rds of the way out there - again - hit that siren on the bullhorn... <lmao> Edited November 5, 2014 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 And these "men" we're armed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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