shibiwan Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 Bergdahl "released" today! He's waited long enough over the border in Pakistan.... http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/31/world/asia/afghanistan-bergdahl-release/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 Welcome home Sgt. Bergdahl. <thumbsup> It would be great to have all those missing come home also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 It's now official, a fact established by agreement on both sides of the "War on Terror": one American soldier is worth five Taliban. At least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 Its great he is free ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracomeister Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 Just saw this and, as usual, it's politics and finger pointing! Can't we just shut Washington down? (This is just an excerpt from the AP feed.) WASHINGTON (AP) — Two Republican lawmakers on Saturday accused President Barack Obama of breaking the law by approving the release of five Afghan detainees held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in exchange for a U.S. soldier believed held by Islamist insurgents for five years. The White House agreed that actions were taken in spite of legal requirements and cited "unique and exigent circumstances" as justification. Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, 28, of Hailey, Idaho, was handed over to U.S. special operations forces by the Taliban. In return, five Afghans who were held at a U.S. detention facility in Cuba were released to the custody of the government of Qatar, which served as a go-between in negotiations for the trade. Rep. Howard "Buck" McKeon of California and Sen. James Inhofe of Oklahoma said in a statement that Obama is required by law to notify Congress 30 days before any terrorists are transferred from the U.S. facility. They said Obama also is required to explain how the threat posed by such terrorists has been substantially mitigated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 Just saw this and, as usual, it's politics and finger pointing! Can't we just shut Washington down? (This is just an excerpt from the AP feed.) WASHINGTON (AP) — Two Republican lawmakers on Saturday accused President Barack Obama of breaking the law by approving the release of five Afghan detainees held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in exchange for a U.S. soldier believed held by Islamist insurgents for five years.. What we know is that we exchanged 5 terrorists for 1 US soldier. What we don't know is what else they traded as part of the deal . We could have given them all sorts of other things in addition to the five. Heck, the US government (Obama) will not disclose the list of countries currently considered to be at war with the US. The US has never understood how to deal with these Middle-Eastern people, and for that reason, has screwed up every time they've tried to intervene in the Middle East. The US government and its paper-shufflers and cheerleaders simply do not understand the fact that that these people really, truly, are not like us. They are not high-school dropouts who couldn't find a job with Burger Magnate. Poverty does not drive them to murder. Fact is, they really do not want to live to be old. They really want to kill all Jews and Christians and die in the process. And, with the two Moslem sects, each of them have the obligation to kill each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 (edited) It's now official, a fact established by agreement on both sides of the "War on Terror": one American soldier is worth five Taliban. At least. Do you ever have anything positive to say???? Your like the liberal media all gloom and doom We have a soldier home, thank god! His family can breath a sigh of relief Edited June 1, 2014 by shepp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 Do you ever have anything positive to say? ??? Your like the liberal media all gloom and doom I'm not sure what you are saying. Is it bad that one of ours is worth five of them? On the battlefield, it might be that one of us is worth 12 of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 (edited) What we know is that we exchanged 5 terrorists for 1 US soldier. What we don't know is what else they traded as part of the deal . We could have given them all sorts of other things in addition to the five. Heck, the US government (Obama) will not disclose the list of countries currently considered to be at war with the US. The US has never understood how to deal with these Middle-Eastern people, and for that reason, has screwed up every time they've tried to intervene in the Middle East. The US government and its paper-shufflers and cheerleaders simply do not understand the fact that that these people really, truly, are not like us. They are not high-school dropouts who couldn't find a job with Burger Magnate. Poverty does not drive them to murder. Fact is, they really do not want to live to be old. They really want to kill all Jews and Christians and die in the process. And, with the two Moslem sects, each of them have the obligation to kill each other. It appears from the quoted post that the U.S. Govt. isn't the only one that doesn't understand "these Middle Eastern people." Afghanistan and Pakistan are in Asia, not the Middle East. The Middle East, all the way to South Asia, is full varied people and religions including Christian, Jews, Moderate/Secular Muslims, Hindu, Bahai, etc. There are also numerous cultures, languages, traditions, and ethnic backgrounds. Individuals are motivated to commit acts of terror for a variety of reason, and yes, a major motivating factor in the region is a religious one. That being said, scores of "these Middle Eastern people" like us and risk and give up their lives assisting in eradicating these cancerous people from earth and/or bring them to justice. I am proud this young Soldier is home. Edited June 1, 2014 by StainTrain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 I'm not sure what you are saying. Is it bad that one of ours is worth five of them? On the battlefield, it might be that one of us is worth 12 of them. So which is it cuz now your contradicting yourself now? I'm sure they didn't just give up 5 of the worst. Just happy to see this guys alive and home and didn't get his head hacked off on tv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 And, with the two Moslem sects, each of them have the obligation to kill each other. You must be thinking of Iraq. You're sure as hell not talking about Afghanistan. You must be confused - or, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted June 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 (edited) We have a soldier home, thank god! His family can breath a sigh of relief ^^^ this should be the point. Americans who put their lives on the line for the good of others are worth any number of terrorists in trade. I don't really care how many we give up - as long as we get our guys back. We can nail the released bastards later. Edited June 1, 2014 by shibiwan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNP Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 Easy guys...he said it right the first time. One US soldier is worth at least Five of theirs, meaning each one of their soldiers has very little value. It takes a whole box of them to add up to one of ours...by their own admission. You couldn't just trade one...that wasn't a fair value to them. We basically traded five camels for a Ferrari. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNP Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 I was kinda hoping we sent the five home with rectums packed full of kaboom powder. Would have made for an explosive group hug upon return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted June 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 We basically traded five camels for a Ferrari. <thumbsup> <thumbsup> <thumbsup> <thumbsup> <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 Starting to see a couple of reports that this guy had deserted? <dontknow> Brass/Washington tried to keep it hushed, fed the media disinformation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 These Are the 5 Guantanamo Detainees Being Released in Exchange for Sgt. Bergdahl - Time - May 31, 2014http://time.com/2803988/guantanamo-detainees-bergdahl/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 This is what is being stated by various veterans' groups. Something to keep a watch on. https://www.facebook.com/2MillionBikersDC/posts/725490997513749:0 Words from someone on his COP with him... Forwarded from Jeff Howard. "We were at OP Mest, Paktika Province, Afghanistan. It was a small outpost where B Co 1-501st INF (Airbone) ran operations out of, just an Infantry platoon and ANA counterparts there. The place was an Afghan graveyard. Bergdahl had been acting a little strange, telling people he wanted to "walk the earth" and kept a little journal talking about how he was meant for better things. No one thought anything about it. He was a little “out there”. Next morning he's gone. We search everywhere, and can't find him. He left his weapon, his kit, and other sensitive items. He only took some water, a compass and a knife. We find some afghan kids shortly after who saw an American walking north asking about where the Taliban are. We get hits on our voice interceptor that Taliban has him, and we were close. We come to realize that the kid deserted his post, snuck out of camp and sought out Taliban… to join them. We were in a defensive position at OP Mest, where your focus is to keep people out. He knew where the blind spots were to slip out and that's what he did. It was supposed to be a 4-day mission but turned into several months of active searching. Everyone was spun up to find this guy. News outlets all over the country were putting out false information. It was hard to see, especially when we knew the truth about what happened and we lost good men trying to find him. THOSE LOST LOOKING FOR BERGDAHL: PFC Matthew Michael Martinek, Staff Sgt. Kurt Robert Curtiss, SSG Clayton Bowen, PFC Morris Walker, SSG Michael Murphrey, 2LT Darryn Andrews, were all KIA from our unit who died looking for Bergdahl. Many others from various units were wounded or killed while actively looking for Bergdahl. Fighting Increased. IEDs and enemy ambushes increased. The Taliban knew that we were looking for him in high numbers and our movements were predictable. Because of Bergdahl, more men were out in danger, and more attacks on friendly camps and positions were conducted while we were out looking for him. His actions impacted the region more than anyone wants to admit. There is also no way to know what he told the Taliban: Our movements, locations, tactics, weak points on vehicles and other things for the enemy to exploit are just a few possibilities. The Government knows full well that he deserted. It looks bad and is a good propaganda piece for the Taliban. They refuse to acknowledge it. Hell, they even promoted him to Sergeant which makes me sick. I feel for his family who only want their son/brother back. They don’t know the truth, or refuse to acknowledge it as well. What he did affected his family and his whole town back home, who don’t know the truth. Either way what matters is that good men died because of him. He has been lying on all those Taliban videos about everything since his “capture”. If he ever returns, he should be tried under the UCMJ for being a deserter and judged for what he did. Bergdahl is not a hero, he is not a soldier or an Infantryman. He failed his brothers. Now, sons and daughters are growing up without their fathers who died for him and he will have to face that truth someday." PIC of BOWE with TROOPS ~ 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 Shocking to say the least if this is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 ^^^ this should be the point. Americans who put their lives on the line for the good of others are worth any number of terrorists in trade. I don't really care how many we give up - as long as we get our guys back. We can nail the released bastards later. Thank you that's what I was getting at. I was kinda hoping we sent the five home with rectums packed full of kaboom powder. Would have made for an explosive group hug upon return. I was thinking smallpox :) Sorry gnat I was reading it negatively like "why the feck are we giving 5 gitmo's for him?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 been staying out of this for the reason Jon pointed out. I remember when the guy went missing, there were some shady circumstances. not going to form an opinion yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainTrain Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 (edited) Well there is a lot surrounding this issue that is for sure. If he is guilty of what he is accused of, then he should face some justice. Edited June 1, 2014 by StainTrain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 (edited) been staying out of this for the reason Jon pointed out. I remember when the guy went missing, there were some shady circumstances. not going to form an opinion yet. After reading that I'm back to the fence I didn't know that?! I saw something about a twitter post yesterday from him and was confused after seeing it, but after reading flyers post it makes much more sense, probably the reason he didn't get his head hacked off Edited June 1, 2014 by shepp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted June 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 (edited) Interesting development....gotta see how this turns out or it it gets whitewashed for the media. Edited June 1, 2014 by shibiwan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 You gotta dig for the original info, brother - most of it has since been wiped out. Here's an example from the time period when he went missing: http://michellemalkin.com/2009/07/20/questions-about-the-reported-abduction-of-pfc-bowe-bergdahl/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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