shepp Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Considering we released 5 from Guantanamo with absolutely nothing in trade some time back, this is hardly surprising. It's a shame that this guy gets the heroic welcome while Edward Snowden stays in exile. YES! Well put! Who's the real trader there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted June 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) YES! Well put! Who's the real trader there Qatar. I believe they orchestrated the entire deal. Edited June 4, 2014 by shibiwan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Like Tom said a few posts back, this dude has been on the traitor radar for awhile: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1305184/Bowe-Bergdahl-Taliban-claim-captured-U-S-solider-teaching-fighters-bomb-making-skills.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 I want to think that O'Buttheads crew screwed up & didn't know this individuals history & was just grabbing something for the head lines to divert attention from the VA mess , but I'm not sure if they are totally that stupid & had all this was going to there plan , because this story is on the fore front of the news . That dumb be-ouch ho, from the State Dept. , saying no on knows the facts yet, just cracks me up , how blatantly they can twist & spin the truth , these people are truly professional liars . It is also amazing how they never run out of them . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 SS I'm sure their crew will play the incompetence "At no time did we know anything" card, this tidbit says otherwise. Bergdahl held by a group NOT associated with the Taliban, which was paid a ransom fee of $$millions...and then a group of completely unrelated Taliban leaders released from Guantanamo. http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/06/03/Oliver-North-I-Know-A-Ransom-5-6-Million-Was-Paid-to-Free-Bergdahl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 I'm sure they knew....they just assumed (wrong as usual) it would be overlooked or ignored. they had visions of confetti falling from the rooftops as Obama stood proudly behind the returning hero. the Obama administration once again attempted a win win, and ended up with a loose loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microgunner Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 It scares the hell outta me that these stupid bastards are at the helm. God help us survive this administration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 It scares the hell outta me that these stupid bastards are at the helm. God help us survive this administration. I agree ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted June 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 There's something going on that we're not seeing...good/bad? That just keeps me wondering what the point of the trade is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 If that Breitbart article is correct, it was NOT a trade at all. Just more sleight of hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Qatar. I believe they orchestrated the entire deal. I meant between Edward and Bowe how is the real trader? Who really commited treason here? Edward snowden rats out his shady government and is in Russia? Seeking asylum from that government. Bowe goes on some rant then disappeares into the night with out any gear, rumored to be seeking out the teliban, and after he leaves there's an increase in very well planed attacks on the troops he deserted..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 The crime of treason is in the US defined in the Constitution. See also here. If Bergdahl is guilty of treason by cooperating with hostile forces, isn't Obama guilty of the same thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/04/what-caught-lone-survivor-marcus-luttrell-off-guard-in-bergdahl-prisoner-exchange/ This was one of my main reasons on why I think he deserted. They hack Americans heads off at the drop of a dime why not this guy?? Gnat it was more of a statement then a question, I know what treason is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 The crime of treason is in the US defined in the Constitution. See also here. If Bergdahl is guilty of treason by cooperating with hostile forces, isn't Obama guilty of the same thing? IMO most politicians could easily be found guilty of treason. Watch the dog-n-pony show and see who the big talkers are now in the mid-terms, who gets to the forefront in 2016, and who gets screwed (hint: not politicos). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted June 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 I'm still unable to connect the dots and make sense of the prisoner exchange. This is probably a stretch, but perhaps he was working for the company or something similar??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) I got it figured out , Berry did the swap on purpose , Karzai has been ignoring the stupid _ _ _ _ _ _ _, so he pulled some old Chicago politics on his a$$ ,to show him who's King . Put the people back there that made that place a mess after the Commie's left, that will show him ,not to kiss the Kings a$$ . <laughs> Might not be far from the truth . Edited June 5, 2014 by survivalshop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Shibiwan, Seems like the Obama team is trying to sell this as, "We're closing Gitmo, so they gotta go somewhere, so why not get one of ours back in the process" and "we don't leave any of ours behind unless they're in Benghazi". Maybe the dots don't connect because it's all a stupid idea that backfired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Here's a new theory... a government official thought this one up. Bergdahl walked away from his unit because they were a bunch of psychopaths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted June 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Psychopaths everywhere. Especially the narcissistic ones in DC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Armory Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 SS I'm sure their crew will play the incompetence "At no time did we know anything" card, this tidbit says otherwise. Bergdahl held by a group NOT associated with the Taliban, which was paid a ransom fee of $$millions...and then a group of completely unrelated Taliban leaders released from Guantanamo. http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/06/03/Oliver-North-I-Know-A-Ransom-5-6-Million-Was-Paid-to-Free-BergdahlCol. Oliver North stated that a ransom of 5 to 6 million dollars was paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 /\/\/\/\/\/\ YES! And the ransom was NOT paid to the Taliban. Which means that the Taliban crapheads were just RELEASED for goodwill, or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 (edited) Here's a new theory... a government official thought this one up. Bergdahl walked away from his unit because they were a bunch of psychopaths. <lmao> You pretty much have to be, to be in a combat zone . Nobody sane would be trying to kill each other , non stop ! Edited June 6, 2014 by survivalshop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 The "psychopath" tweet from the Obama official has been apologized for already: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/05/administration-official-apologizes-for-tweets-bergdahl-platoon-psychopaths/ Here's a tidbit, though: EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in captivity, secret documents show By James Rosen Published June 05, 2014 U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl at one point during his captivity converted to Islam, fraternized openly with his captors and declared himself a "mujahid," or warrior for Islam, according to secret documents prepared on the basis of a purported eyewitness account and obtained by Fox News. The reports indicate that Bergdahl's relations with his Haqqani captors morphed over time, from periods of hostility, where he was treated very much like a hostage, to periods where, as one source told Fox News, "he became much more of an accepted fellow" than is popularly understood. He even reportedly was allowed to carry a gun at times. The documents show that Bergdahl at one point escaped his captors for five days and was kept, upon his re-capture, in a metal cage, like an animal. In addition, the reports detail discussions of prisoner swaps and other attempts at a negotiated resolution to the case that appear to have commenced as early as the fall of 2009. The reports are rich in on-the-ground detail -- including the names and locations of the Haqqani commanders who ran the 200-man rotation used to guard the Idaho native -- and present the most detailed view yet of what Bergdahl's life over the past five years has been like. These real-time dispatches were generated by the Eclipse Group, a shadowy private firm of former intelligence officers and operatives that has subcontracted with the Defense Department and prominent corporations to deliver granular intelligence on terrorist activities and other security-related topics, often from challenging environments in far-flung corners of the globe. The group is run by Duane R. ("Dewey") Clarridge, a former senior operations officer for the Central Intelligence Agency in the 1980s best known for having been indicted for lying to Congress about his role in the tangled set of events that became known as the Iran-Contra scandal. He was pardoned by the first President Bush in December 1992 while on trial. A New York Times profile of Clarridge published in January 2011 disclosed the contractual relationship Eclipse had with the Pentagon, through subcontractors, and reported further that Clarridge's activities had included efforts to help find Bergdahl. Clarridge told Fox News his group enjoyed a subcontract from U.S. Central Command, or CENTCOM, headquartered at MacDill Air Force Base in Florida, from November 2009 through May 31, 2010, and that after the contract was terminated, he invested some $50,000 of his own money to maintain the network of informants that had yielded such detailed accounts of Bergdahl's status. Clarridge further told Fox News that by the end of 2010, he had furnished at least 13 of these detailed SITREPs, or situation reports, that his network generated about Bergdahl to Brig. Gen. Robert P. Ashley Jr., who in April 2010 was named director of intelligence, at the J-2 level, at CENTCOM. Clarridge said Eclipse SITREP # 3023, dated Aug. 23, 2012 -- in which a member of the Haqqani network, said to be close to Bergdahl's captors, reported that the American prisoner had declared himself a "mujahid" -- was among the reports provided to Ashley. The latter is now commanding general at the U.S. Army Intelligence Center of Excellence and Fort Huachuca, where a message left with the public affairs office was not immediately returned. The documents obtained by Fox News show that Eclipse developed and transmitted numerous status reports on the whereabouts of the errant American soldier, spanning a period from October 2009, roughly three months after Bergdahl reportedly walked off his base in Afghanistan and fell into custody of the Haqqani network, up through August 2012. At one point -- in late June 2010, after Bergdahl succeeded in one of his escape attempts -- the Haqqani commanders constructed a special metal cage for him, and confined him to it. At other points, however, Bergdahl was reported to be happily playing soccer with the Haqqani fighters, taking part in AK-47 target practice and being permitted to carry a firearm of his own, laughing frequently and proclaiming "Salaam," the Arabic word for "peace." Reached by telephone, retired U.S. Marine Corps Gen. James N. Mattis, a 45-year service veteran who served as CENTCOM commander from August 2010 to August 2012, told Fox News he may have received bits and pieces of the intelligence generated by Eclipse, but said Ashley, with whom he maintained a close working relationship, had not forwarded on to him the specific SITREPs cited by Fox News. Mattis was also adamant that no one at CENTCOM or within the broader U.S. military or intelligence community -- despite intensive investigation of such allegations -- ever learned of anything to suggest Bergdahl had evolved into an active collaborator with the Haqqani network or the Taliban. "We were always looking for actionable intelligence," Mattis said. "It wasn't just the IC [intelligence community]. We had tactical units that were involved in the fight. We had SIGINT. Any collaborators who were on the other side and who came over to our side. We kept an eye on this. ... There was never any evidence of collaboration." Fox News reported on Monday that Bergdahl was the subject of a "major classified file" prepared by the U.S. intelligence community, and that many members of that community harbored concerns that Bergdahl, during his period of captivity, may have engaged in collaboration with the enemy. Experts consulted by Fox News said that SITREP # 3023 presents a picture of an American captive who, if not an active collaborator, may have succumbed to Stockholm Syndrome -- the dynamic by which hostages can become enamored of their captors and join their cause -- or simply feigned allegiance in order to survive. The report cited a source new to Eclipse -- a member of the Haqqani network said to be close to Mullah Sangeen, the Haqqani commander charged at all points over the last five years with operational custody and control of Bergdahl -- whose trustworthiness had not been fully vetted by the group. However, the report stated, the informant "does have plausible access to the information reported below, and claims to have seen Bergdahl personally in Shawal," in North Waziristan. "In the early stages Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's captivity," the report states, "he was held at Palasin, Naurak, FATA [Federally Administered Tribal Areas], under the control of Mullah Sangeen and under the direct supervision of Haji Mursaleem, Sangeen's father. Conditions and locality changed after Mursaleem died [in September 2010], and Bergdahl was kept under tight guard after his attempted escape from his new place of detention in Shawal. "As of August 2012," the report continues, "the person with responsibility for Bergdahl's captivity is Sangeen's brother, who has delegated the actual guarding of Bergdahl to Abubakr Asadkhel, a Burra Khel Wazir loyal to Sangeen, and whose sub-tribe lives in Shawal. Abubakr leads approximately 200 armed men from his tribe and operates from five bases (markaz) in Shawal. ... Abubakr's tribe is one of the prosperous branches of the Wazir and owns lots of trucks. Abubakr circulates his prisoner between schools in the area he controls, and his different insurgent bases." Conditions for Bergdahl have greatly relaxed since the time of the escape. Bergdahl has converted to Islam and now describes himself as a mujahid. Bergdahl enjoys a modicum of freedom, and engages in target practice with the local mujahedeen, firing AK47s. Bergdahl is even allowed to carry a loaded gun on occasion. Bergdahl plays soccer with his guards and bounds around the pitch like a mad man. He appears to be well and happy, and has a noticeable habit of laughing frequently and saying 'Salaam' repeatedly. At other points, the SITREPs depict a much nastier relationship between Bergdahl and his captors. In July 2010, Eclipse SITREPs based on confidential talks with Afghan Taliban commanders reported that "the original command structure for the responsibility of holding the captured soldier remains intact." Overall responsibility for the captive is in the hands of Haqqani commander Sangeen, with Bandiwan, one of his deputies, responsible for making the detailed arrangements. There are two locations where the soldier is kept: one in Degan and the other in Shawal, North Waziristan. When in Degan he is kept in the compound of Eid Wale, a local Dawr who is close to Sangeen and is a chromite dealer. The other location is at Shawal. The [source] confirmed that the soldier had been missing for five days and when he was recovered, he was a little worse from wear (lack of food; a bit slimmer) but otherwise in good health. But an earlier dispatch stated that after his re-capture, on or about June 22, 2010, Bergdahl was "in ill-health, and has been collapsing." A SITREP dated one week before Bergdahl's ill-fated escape attempt placed him in the Bazaar area of Miramshah, and noted that "he seemed not to be tightly controlled." The Eclipse reports suggest that negotiations over Bergdahl's fate began within a few months after his capture. An October 2009 SITREP disclosed that Sirajuddin Haqqani, the Pashtun warlord controlling the broader network that bears his name, had reached out through Pakistani political contacts to propose a prisoner swap. A July 2010 SITREP stated that two months prior, in late May, "negotiations between the Haqqani and representatives of the missing US soldier collapsed." At that point, the report said, Bergdahl was moved to a more secure location. The New York Times, in its 2011 profile of Clarridge, described his agents' dispatches as "an amalgam of fact, rumor, analysis and uncorroborated reports." The fabled ex-spook made the more than one dozen SITREPs that Eclipse prepared on the Bergdahl case -- all previously unpublished -- available to Fox News because he wanted to demonstrate, as he put it: "We know what we're talking about." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 And an interview to go with that Tom. http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/06/05/hes-not-hero-6-bowe-bergdahls-platoon-members-speak-out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 Good info brothers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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