SIG Brace Saga...

98Z5V · December 31, 2014

Here's what I've been able to dig up on the SIG Brace drama going on right now:

For the first three links, it's chronological order - oldest first, and down.

http://www.shootingsportsretailer.com/2014/11/19/could-this-mean-the-end-of-the-sig-brace/

http://www.shootingsportsretailer.com/2014/11/25/law-blog-atf-hasnt-changed-sig-brace-ruling-yet/

http://www.shootingsportsretailer.com/2014/12/23/atf-closing-in-on-illegal-use-of-ar-pistol-brace/

This one is just from a couple days ago:

http://gunssavelives.net/gun-industry/breaking-atf-issues-new-opinion-letter-stating-that-shouldering-sig-brace-is-illegal/

Based on the original determination, I think we'll be fine with the SB15 brace on an AR pistol. Gonna be really hard for them to backtrack that original determination.

Edited December 31, 2014 by 98Z5V

StainTrain · December 31, 2014

I would be keeping mine if you enablers didn't make me go SBR a couple months ago.

98Z5V · December 31, 2014

I'm thinking about picking yours up. :))

blue109 · December 31, 2014

worst case scenario...don't make a YouTube video shouldering your pistol yelling "frack the atf woooohooooo" and you should be ok.

I sure do like my little pistol. just slapped a flashlight on her for "bump in the night" duty.

survivalshop · December 31, 2014

Gonna be really hard for them to backtrack that original determination.

Its never been hard for them in the past . <dontknow>

blue109 · December 31, 2014

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/12/foghorn/calm-pistol-brace-ruling-hasnt-changed/

392heminut · December 31, 2014

Tom, that 4th link you posted is about the letter that has actually stirred all this schitt up!

General consensus is that the issue with the SB-15 on a shotgun in the first link pretty much has no bearing on AR pistols as it's a totally different platform.

As for the Blade arm rest that is talked about in the third link, that dipshit is trying to make money off the SB-15 concept and the prevalent attitude in the AR pistol community is that it's an overpriced piece of crap and will most likely disappear over time due to non interest and lack of sales. Another reason it won't sell very well is because a lot of AR pistol folks feel that by Martin Ewer submitting the Blade to the ATF for approval as an arm brace when it obviously doesn't do THAT job as well as the SB-15 and looks even more like a shoulder stock, he poked a beehive that should have been left alone! Yeah, this country was founded on free enterprise but Mr. Ewer hasn't endeared himself to the AR pistol community at all.

After reading all the conjecture and speculation I'm of the opinion that not much is going to change with the SB-15 until the ATF actually tries to prosecute someone for the missuse of it. As someone pointed out, if a person at a gun store or gun show picks up an SB-15 equipped AR pistol and shoulders it have they just made that pistol an SBR and are they now guilty of a felony? The ATF has really muddied the waters on this whole situation and until I see a court ruling I'm keeping my arm brace on my pistol.

Here's my personal take on this situation. If you build an AR pistol with the INTENT to shoot it as a pistol then by putting an SB-15 arm brace on it you are actually reinforcing that intent, as you have installed an approved device to make it easier to shoot that firearm in the manner it was designed to be shot, i.e. as a pistol.

Edited December 31, 2014 by 392heminut

bigdaddy1957 · January 3, 2015

Next week I am starting the process to open a Texas Gun Trust. I will then SBR all my AR pistols. The major reason is simple, I do not like having anxiety and worry about what our wonderful government will do. I am hoping we get a republican president to ask congress and the senate to overturn many laws I consider illegal. Laws, they aren't even laws, they are judgments made by non-elected bureaucrats. We'll see if the republicans are for real pretty soon.

From what I understand starting in 2015 even with a trust you have to fill out the forms and get it signed off by a CLEO. A certain CLEO will not sign off and I am going to another in the area. Even though it's against the law nobody will challenge him. That's a problem with the whole system, people continue to play god in our government and law enforcement/judicial system with impunity. That's completely un-American.........totally against the original intent of the people that started the whole thing.

I'm not 100% happy with the brace and went through a lot of issues until I found the Odin tube, it has a locking ring that works OK. Now Phase 5 has come out with a better mouse trap. Still the whole thing is off a bit IMO. You cannot easily adjust it like your typical M4 setup and it just doesn't feel right when you drive the gun as taught in CQB techniques. It's just not secure feeling like a good Magpul or other type of stock.

So for many reasons I am going to do the whole thing and SBR them. With the trust I might even get a suppressor or two, maybe a machine gun.....hmmmm. I sure do love Texas!!!

blue109 · January 3, 2015

I do not like having anxiety and worry about what our wonderful government will do.

exactly why I won't go SBR.

Microgunner · January 3, 2015

I'm gonna get me one of those new CZ EVO 3 9mm with the optional SIG Brace as soon as they become available.

planeflyer21 · January 3, 2015

The major reason is simple, I do not like having anxiety and worry about what our wonderful government will do.

Exactly why we should be calling for BATF to be dismantled...or at least have the F removed.

Prior to 1968 GCA, anyone could order a surplus handgun or long gun through the mail, after signing an affidavit you were of legal purchasing status. Really...what difference is there between that affidavit and a 4473?

Microgunner · January 3, 2015

Exactly why we should be calling for BATF to be dismantled...or at least have the F removed.

Get the F out!

blue109 · January 3, 2015

^ you guys just nailed our protest posters! GET THE F OUT

suzukiray · January 4, 2015

So, is the Sig brace a good part at 117 bucks? What buffer tube do I need to get for it?

Ray.

Microgunner · January 4, 2015

I like mine

I think it works with both mil spec and commercial buffer tubes.

98Z5V · January 4, 2015

The dedicated tubes appear to be quite badass. I''m just sayin'.

StainTrain · January 4, 2015

KAK super sig is awesome.

blue109 · January 4, 2015

I like mine
I think it works with both mil spec and commercial buffer tubes.

? don't think it will fit on a carbine extension. its designed to fit a tube with a max OD of 1.2". as you go smaller you may need tape or something to keep it from sliding. I lubed mine up like a first time porn star and rammed it onto a 1.25" damage industries tube. its rock solid but might never come off again.

98Z5V · January 4, 2015

I lubed mine up like a first time porn star and rammed it ...

This line right here is Legendary... <lmao>

Boerboel guy · January 4, 2015

Phase 5 buffer tubes are perfect for the Sig brace.

392heminut · January 4, 2015

I like mine
I think it works with both mil spec and commercial buffer tubes.

The SIG brace won't work with either one of those. They both have the rib on the bottom for the adjustable stock and the brace won't fit over the rib, it has to be a round tube.

The Phase 5 and the KAK Supertube are both great options.

Microgunner · January 4, 2015

I meant as in pistol tube diameters.

Just went to SIG's site. They say fits 1"-1.2" diametertube?

Edited January 4, 2015 by Microgunner

392heminut · January 4, 2015

I meant as in pistol tube diameters.

As far as I know, there are no pistol tubes designated as commercial or milspec, but I could be wrong. I've just never seen any listed that way. They usually give a diameter, most ranging between 1.17 and 1.25

Edited January 4, 2015 by 392heminut