308-24-7 Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) I am ready to purchase my scope.. I will be using it for target, plinking, possible hunting. I am putting it on my 308 24" barrel AR. These are my opiton (ref pics) Why would I buy one vs the other? I am leaning to the FFP retical from Burris. Edited February 25, 2015 by 308-24-7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 one word Horus.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 The mil dot....the other is too busy....you might consider the sfp rather than the ffp for what you are doing :) Wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
308-24-7 Posted February 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 I had not seen the Horus before.. It is closer to the FFP then the Mill DOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbasks Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 A good ol mil/mil mildot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbasks Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 Still my favorite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbasks Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 But for 2 legged deer http://www.finnaccuracy.com/msr.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) Mildot , the other stuff is too busy & in the way IMO You could get used to any of them though . Edited February 26, 2015 by survivalshop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 That's some fine equipment bubba!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLKSHEEP Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 I had not seen the Horus before.. It is closer to the FFP then the Mill DOT I think you're mixing up your info. The reticle that you've posted on the left is the standard US Army Mil-Dot reticle (USMC has a very similar one) and as far as I know they're mostly used in FFP (First Focal Plane) or fixed magnification scopes. If it's used in a SFP (Second Focal Plane) variable power scope it will only work at either full or half power. The Mil-Dot system is used to range targets quickly (with practice) & works off the metric system but don't let that scare you, it's not hard to learn. The reticle you've posted on the right appears to be the Burris F-Class MOA, It is also a FFP scope. With a FFP scope the reticle size changes with increased or decreased magnification settings, the SFP scopes reticle size stays constant throughout the magnification settings. As to which is best for your intended purposes I cant say "hunting" can be anything from shooting running hogs in the Texas brush < Mil-Dot, to Stationary Elk across a canyon. For long range target shooting I'd go with the F-Class MOA or the Horus reticle. http://www.burrisoptics.com/reticles < Burris reticles. http://demigodllc.com/articles/practical-long-range-rifle-shooting-optics/?p=1 < 7 pages of great info! http://tinyurl.com/qf74g99 > Good info. on how the mil dot system works. https://horusvision.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/how-to-use-the-h58-reticle-by-todd-hodnett/ < Horus Reticle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLKSHEEP Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 A good ol mil/mil mildot ^^^ Agreed <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 A question like this is just a big, giant, mongosso clusterfuck of a question. Massive. HUGE. The reticle that is best for you is the reticle that you understand the best, and you can manipulate the best. This isn't a question for others - it's what you understand and feel comfortable with, and can manipulate for your shooting style. You only have about a thousand choices in reticles, so find what you like, and run with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
308-24-7 Posted February 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 I think you're mixing up your info. The reticle that you've posted on the left is the standard US Army Mil-Dot reticle (USMC has a very similar one) and as far as I know they're mostly used in FFP (First Focal Plane) or fixed magnification scopes. If it's used in a SFP (Second Focal Plane) variable power scope it will only work at either full or half power. The Mil-Dot system is used to range targets quickly (with practice) & works off the metric system but don't let that scare you, it's not hard to learn. The reticle you've posted on the right appears to be the Burris F-Class MOA, It is also a FFP scope. With a FFP scope the reticle size changes with increased or decreased magnification settings, the SFP scopes reticle size stays constant throughout the magnification settings. As to which is best for your intended purposes I cant say "hunting" can be anything from shooting running hogs in the Texas brush < Mil-Dot, to Stationary Elk across a canyon. For long range target shooting I'd go with the F-Class MOA or the Horus reticle. http://www.burrisoptics.com/reticles < Burris reticles. http://demigodllc.com/articles/practical-long-range-rifle-shooting-optics/?p=1 < 7 pages of great info! http://tinyurl.com/qf74g99 > Good info. on how the mil dot system works. https://horusvision.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/how-to-use-the-h58-reticle-by-todd-hodnett/ < Horus Reticle Thanks Blksheep, The 7 page read was great information to have and keep. I didnt understand what the true difference between them until now. I had decided to go with the Burris brand so of the two choices they have I am going to order the Burris 201080 XTR II 8x-40x-50m Illuminated F-Class MOA FFP Reticle Riflescope.. I understand the MOA system better than the mill. I have always used standard cross hair scopes so this is going to be great to learn and experiment with to if I can realy shoot or not out to 800-1000 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbasks Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 Be careful with those really high magnification scopes. Glass clarity and mirage really come into play. Xtr should be good since they started using steiner glass. Im a big fan of mil over moa. Metric system ranging makes it even easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.R.D. Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 http://precisionrifleblog.com/2014/07/31/tactical-scopes-reticles/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armed Eye Doc Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 So am I the only one who misread the thread title as "what rectal is the best choice?" Sorry for the thread diversion, but I waited until there were serious answers first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbasks Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Doc we know what eye ur lookin at ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelDeVille Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Brown eyes aside, this is my favorite... On the bottom.... Dragonov... But I'm getting used to the ACSS HUD... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 I have read a poop ton on reticles,because I didn't want to do mathamatical gymnastics so Mil-dot wasn't on my list.Quite a few companies a doing a veriation of the Hourus type.Hourus vision only has a 1 year warrenty and for the money spent the warrenty should be stronger IMO.The basic concept with this reticle is to see the splash on the strata and correct.Being able to see the splash is the thing.Leupold has the H59 on these models : http://www.leupold.com/scopefinder/ so does Bushnell : http://www.laruetactical.com/bushnell?sort=popular I asked LaRue about the warrenty and they said it was lifetime and the product goes back to the company for support.Brother bubba had issues with his Bushnell and found support unsatisfactory.The advantage in Hourus is no crankup on elevation turrent.There is a mil-dot slide rule that simplifies operation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebra644 Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 G2B Mildot with Mil/Mil and run a FFP and illum ret. Once you go illuminated you wont go back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokey Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 How about a leatherwood camputer scope. Once you know your ballistics, loosen a couple of rings and set (about 2 min). Then you range out to 200-1000 yards using the reticle with bracketing and turning a ring, done. No need to even take your eye out of the scope. Set it once and forget it. If you know your bullet velocity, weight, and coefficient . Plug it into something like the hornady ballistics site. your scope instructions tell you what number to set it at. I've made this sound complicated and it isn't. This is the same style scope that Vietnam snipers used and is good for hunting or sniper duties. One bad side is out to 200 yards you will be at two power, and at 300 yards three power, and so on to 10 power at 1000 yards. If you like a lot of magnification at 100 yards, it's probably not for you. It does surprisingly well at 100-200 yards, don't expect to see holes in paper though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebra644 Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 I personally don't care for a scope I have to fiddle with If I cant range it using my cross hairs then I'd rather spend the money on a good laser range finder if thats the case. Also something to remember about ballistic ret.s are they are set up from the factory for one specific barrel length, bullet weight and velocity period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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