hired_gun Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 In particular the 308 ones made by KYNTEC corporation? What is the difference between the .308 "shorty collapsible" and the .308 "standard collapsible"...besides the size of course. what type of recoil do they deliver and has anyone had problems such as short stroking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) It's another moving part, and all moving parts have the potential for failure over time. Limit the amount of moving parts that you have, and you limit the potential for failure. My opinion is: Don't complicate schit with Complicated Schit. Stick with a solid buffer body. The "Sproing and Twang Boys" will be along shortly. Edited March 31, 2015 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 65-b? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 Probably not - that's the "you snooze you lose' rule. Don't really expect a high-hard-fast run on these things - they'll be on the shelves for years, for the "recoil sensitive" people. How much recoil do you really have to eat in a 5.56 or .308 AR rifle, anyway?... As soon as they make one that chops down the recoil on the Marlin 1895 45-70, I'll scoop it up in a heartbeat. Until then, though... It's just another group of moving parts that you don't need. Man up, lift weights, push cars for PT, and don't be recoil sensitive. Eat more spotted owl. Makes your dick bigger, too. <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 If you were shooting suppressed and full auto,then I'd suggest one... I owned one once. I don't own it anymore. If not a standard heavybuffer.Com, then convert to the Armalite AR10 system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 OK....you convinced me.....I'll convert to the Armalite system. <lmao> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonster Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 I have one in my ultra light long range AR. A 6.5 lb 20" 5.56 with a 4x18x44 on it. With a good JP comp, the hydraulic buffer & Tubbs flat coil buffer spring you never move off the target. I can watch the round hit the target through the scope. That is why you have one. For a fighting rifle I agree with the previous comments, Its not for a plinker or a pack rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armed Eye Doc Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 I need some spotted owl. <laughs> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaseFan9 Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 Probably not - that's the "you snooze you lose' rule. Don't really expect a high-hard-fast run on these things - they'll be on the shelves for years, for the "recoil sensitive" people. How much recoil do you really have to eat in a 5.56 or .308 AR rifle, anyway?... As soon as they make one that chops down the recoil on the Marlin 1895 45-70, I'll scoop it up in a heartbeat. Until then, though... It's just another group of moving parts that you don't need. Man up, lift weights, push cars for PT, and don't be recoil sensitive. Eat more spotted owl. Makes your dick bigger, too. <thumbsup> Aww c'mon 98, I thought u were a badazz, my Rio Grande in .45-70 is what, a pound and a half lighter than your 1895 and the recoil has never bothered me. And no, I won't stoop as low as cowboy action loads lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 (edited) I'm rockin' 405gr lead over 50 grains of 3031 - let's shoot 'em! <lmao> it doesn't kick like a pissed off mule - it's like getting run over by a hippo. Edited April 1, 2015 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microgunner Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 Ouch, bet that kicks like a three legged ninja. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 it does....it's rough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaseFan9 Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 I'm rockin' 405gr lead over 50 grains of 3031 - let's shoot 'em! <lmao> it doesn't kick like a pissed off mule - it's like getting run over by a hippo. DUDE, I wanna try!!! The best I've done are those Buffalo Bore 500gr solids, and they were no joke. You ever run one of those babies through a Chrono? That's gotta be like 80lb/ft felt recoil, bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 It should be around 1750fps - I haven't chrono'd it. I don't want to know the numbers. I don't want to try to calculate the felt recoil. I don't want to come to the realization that i shouldn't be beating the schit out of myself like that... <lmao> I do know that at 50 yards and 100 yards, the point of aim/point of impact is damn near the same - it's flat for those distances. At 150 it drops a little, at 200 it drops a little more. At 500 yards, it's about 10 feet low, and it throws one HELL of a mound of dirt in the air... :hethan: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 I also DO know that I can go up on the powder - i'm nowhere near flattened primers, or any other pressure signs on this load. New Hornady brass and CCI Large Rifle Primers. I can go up - but I damn sure don't want to... Max listed in some references I've found is 55.0gr of 3031. No fucking way am I gonna do that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaseFan9 Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 I don't know, man, you might decide to go whale hunting with some of those loads one day lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microgunner Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 New Hornady brass and CCI Large Rifle Primers. I can go up - but I damn sure don't want to... Max listed in some references I've found is 55.0gr of 3031. No fucking way am I gonna do that... What's wants got to do with it? You know, big girl panties and all that. :binkybaby: <lmao> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Well SCHIT then! I'll load some steps up to the max, and take those things out with me next weekend for the meet-n-greet! The whole group can be a part of this one - on video, of course... <lmao> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaseFan9 Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 (edited) Oh yeah, DEFINITELY don't forget the video on that one. Just make sure you've got someone nearby to relocate your shoulder. Got me wanting to reload some of that .45-70 brass I've been saving up now.... Edited April 3, 2015 by ChaseFan9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 not it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malig8r Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 I look forward to the video showing a comparison of 98's regular loads and the new & improved max loads. We need this to ensure that "reduced recoil" loads are not sure substituted. All for the sake of science of course ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 Brother, there's nothing regular about the regular loads - that's the sick-in-the-head part... <lmao> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaseFan9 Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 (edited) Even a "mild" load will make the faint of heart think twice, .45-70's a beast, especially out of something as light as a lever action repeater. Actually, did you know they use the exact same barrel blanks for the Rossi Rio Grande in .45-70 as they do in 30-30? It's basically a Marlin 336 bored out to .458, so there's almost no weight to it. Edit:Relatively speaking, of course.... Edited April 6, 2015 by ChaseFan9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Chase, you need to figure out a way to come shoot with us in the desert... <thumbsup> We will host you well. We won't be shooting any trap-door loads from the 45-70, and we're danger-close on the Ruger #1 loads from the levers. You just have to experience it... You'll feel it, I guarantee that... <lmao> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaseFan9 Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Chase, you need to figure out a way to come shoot with us in the desert... <thumbsup> We will host you well. We won't be shooting any trap-door loads from the 45-70, and we're danger-close on the Ruger #1 loads from the levers. You just have to experience it... You'll feel it, I guarantee that... <lmao> Dude, I would love to. I've actually got a friend down the road with an all original Remington #1, 32" octagon I believe, and I know he'd let me borrow her for a few days :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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