9mm Vs Grizzly

[planeflyer21]

It worked!

http://www.grindtv.com/wildlife/fishing-guide-kills-grizzly-bear-charges-within-feet-clients/#G16CY06eJdt7yhRK.97

He's currently shopping for more durable underwear.

[survivalshop]

   I read that a little while ago , If an Arrow can kill them , why not a 9MM .  Its the first guide I have ever heard of carrying a 9MM in the bush , but what ever floats your boat .

[shepp]

Just now, survivalshop said:

   I read that a little while ago , If an Arrow can kill them , why not a 9MM .  Its the first guide I have ever heard of carrying a 9MM in the bush , but what ever floats your boat .

Right most guys carry a large cal wheel gun

[planeflyer21]

13 minutes ago, survivalshop said:

   I read that a little while ago , If an Arrow can kill them , why not a 9MM .  Its the first guide I have ever heard of carrying a 9MM in the bush , but what ever floats your boat .

Ever see the bucket of sand demo between an arrow and a .357 Magnum?

I can't find a video of it but the broadhead arrow goes right through a 5-gallon bucket of sand.  The .357, not so much.

[survivalshop]

8 hours ago, planeflyer21 said:

Ever see the bucket of sand demo between an arrow and a .357 Magnum?

I can't find a video of it but the broadhead arrow goes right through a 5-gallon bucket of sand.  The .357, not so much.

  Thats true , but Heavy Bone can cause issues with an Arrow's penetration , where a 357 mag. will have a better chance of it ,not to mention Trauma effects . 

  Has any one seen William Shatner shot that Grizzly with a Bow ? It was a long shot & the Bear ran after the shot but succumbed to the double lung shot .The Guide had a 458 Mag rifle as a back up & when they went into the Bush to retrieve the Bear .

[planeflyer21]

No but Captain Kirk vs Grizzly would be worth PPV!

[survivalshop]

 I can't find a thing on that hunt , but I watched it on TV , isn't that strange , I remember them waiting for an hour or so ,before they went in there after it in the tall brush .

[unforgiven]

Was it +P ? JHP ? 147 gr.?

[Cowtown]

Phil Shoemaker has been around in and writing about Alaska for a good long time, and it surprises me that the kill did not involve a lever action 450 Marlin.  But no matter, the 9 worked.  Not my choice, but it worked.  I figure all three people involved had to change their panties right away tho.  Just sayin, WOW!

[unforgiven]

9mm ammo has come a long way.

[MikedaddyH]

Its all about shot placement. If the bullet hit a bone and bounced off , the story would have been;  "Hunter mauled by angry bear after being shot by a magazine worth of 9mm rounds." Cameraman deficates underwear while running back to camp to get a rifle. "My buddy should have carried a big wheel gun and he would be alive today."

[unforgiven]

No doubt shot placement was the key. As it always is in stopping a threat.

[Sisco]

Unforgiven you are so right about shot placement being the key. If it is me In the Bush in Alaska, 44 Mag or bigger. In Montana/Wyoming grizzly country, 357 Mag maybe. If auto, pack a 10mm. Everything else is lowering your chance of coming out alive, which is still not real good. You want to up the odds , pack a 12 gauge riot gun with rifled slugs, preferably with a penetrating tip. One thing about a 9mm, it does have exceptional penetration given its ballistics. Wonder if he was shooting ball or jacketed soft point? My bear load in a 44 or 357 is a jacketed soft point, just to get a bit better penetration over a hollow point.

Edited August 20, 2016 by Sisco

[unforgiven]

I have to agree with this assessment brother Sisco.. I am impressed with the 10mm and 12ga with slugs for big uglies. Advantage of 9mm is low recoil for a little better control and high capacity mag.

[Sisco]

3 minutes ago, unforgiven said:

I have to agree with this assessment brother Sisco.. I am impressed with the 10mm and 12ga with slugs for big uglies. Advantage of 9mm is low recoil for a little better control and high capacity mag.

I normally hunt deer up here with a 30-06, but a number of years ago a neighbor built a house near my property that crowds the property line, which cuts into the safety factor of using a high velocity rifle. So when I hunt that part of the property I use a 12 gauge slug gun instead, still keeping a considerable distance away. The two deer I have shot with it act totally differently. With a rifle, even with a heart shot, they go down, get up and run 50 feet or so then collapse. With the 12 gauge slug gun they go down, period. One was a running shot that I hit it in the neck. Didn't matter. Went down and stayed down. Where I hunt a long shot is 75 yards, so I am using the 12 gauge slug gun more often and the 30-06 less. 

[planeflyer21]

3 hours ago, MikedaddyH said:

Its all about shot placement. If the bullet hit a bone and bounced off , the story would have been;  "Hunter mauled by angry bear after being shot by a magazine worth of 9mm rounds." Cameraman deficates underwear while running back to camp to get a rifle. "My buddy should have carried a big wheel gun 10mm polymer Witness with MikedaddyH handloads he would be alive today."

FIFY

[unforgiven]

57 minutes ago, Sisco said:

I normally hunt deer up here with a 30-06, but a number of years ago a neighbor built a house near my property that crowds the property line, which cuts into the safety factor of using a high velocity rifle. So when I hunt that part of the property I use a 12 gauge slug gun instead, still keeping a considerable distance away. The two deer I have shot with it act totally differently. With a rifle, even with a heart shot, they go down, get up and run 50 feet or so then collapse. With the 12 gauge slug gun they go down, period. One was a running shot that I hit it in the neck. Didn't matter. Went down and stayed down. Where I hunt a long shot is 75 yards, so I am using the 12 gauge slug gun more often and the 30-06 less. 

Food for thought.....I have a choice of 3. M5,Garand, or Mossy 590A.

[Sisco]

2 hours ago, planeflyer21 said:

FIFY

That is what I told my dog when I picked him up at the vet, and he wasn't very happy about it.

[bubbas4570]

Hunting deer with my 45/70 vs. any of the other calibers I have hunted with resembles the remarks about them going down first and staying there, versus getting hit and running off for a bit....

[Magwa]

On 8/20/2016 at 4:27 AM, MikedaddyH said:

Its all about shot placement. If the bullet hit a bone and bounced off , the story would have been;  "Hunter mauled by angry bear after being shot by a magazine worth of 9mm rounds." Cameraman deficates underwear while running back to camp to get a rifle. "My buddy should have carried a big wheel gun and he would be alive today."

• We have a winner ,shot placement is always the key ,having said that I have a friend who guides up there and he carries a shotgun pump 870 stainless and loads it buck,slug buck slug buck slug.... and says at 15 ft and under it is deadly to anything.....

[survivalshop]

  Shot placement or a lot of luck , in that situation , I will take one or both