Cunuckgaucho Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 from https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117242736/police-meet-with-gang-leaders-to-try-and-convince-them-to-surrender-guns-during-amnesty?fbclid=IwAR1u_aV6jSuq6XIVBmbg0OIjtXr7irk0adzBn3UaATmHgPopFkgDNZu1xXI Police meet with gang leaders to try and convince them to surrender guns during amnesty Illegal guns are remaining in the hands of organised crime as gang leaders refuse to give up their weapons. Police have met with more than 50 gang leaders in an effort to get them to comply with firearm law changes before an amnesty ends. But it's proving to be fruitless, as the patched members remain "very reluctant", Police Commissioner Mike Bush told the Justice Select Committee on Thursday. "We have identified over 100 influential gang leaders and spoken to about half of them about how they are managing this and what their approach and attitude toward that [amnesty] is." Police did not expect patched gang members to front up to collections but were hopeful they would listen and do the right thing, Clement said. But at the end of the day, police could not compel them to give up their unlawful guns and could only create an environment to hand over firearms under amnesty, he said. from https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117218992/police-minister-questions-if-fewer-banned-firearms-in-community-than-expected?rm=m Police Minister questions if fewer banned firearms in community than expected Police Minister Stuart Nash says there could be fewer guns in the country than experts have calculated. His comments come as police data shows they could struggle to collect even the lowest estimate of banned guns, under a gun amnesty and buyback scheme, which ends on December 20. An April ministerial briefing paper revealed that police estimated between 60,000 and 240,000 firearms would be made illegal under gun law reform and in September police suggested that number was between 56,000 and 173,000. But police have not set any specific operational targets for the gun buyback scheme. Official figures show that between July 13 and October 29 about 32,659 firearms were collected and more than $62 million had been paid out so far. So it seems if your a gang member and already breaking the law the police will ask you nicely and if you say no go away with their tails tucked between their legs. Yet they want the people who have followed the rules to disarm and failure to do so will likely result in a large police presence to show up and use force to steal your property. As an added bonus you're now expected to trust the police to protect you from the very people the police with guns are afraid to deal with. In the second article you have to love how the government is changing the number of guns in peoples hands to a lower number to improve the percentage of compliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 Crazy $hit brother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armed Eye Doc Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 Maybe they need to say pretty please with sugar on top. That will certainly get the criminals to abide by the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 I hope that very few comply. The NZ political reaction was pure political bullshiit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 Maybe... Just Maybe .... Every individual political candidate will get the boot and will end up unemployed. And morally sane people will be elected. It's early , I need to stop fantasizing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNP Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 It would all make sense...not be right, but make sense...if they attacked everything that causes deaths in the same fashion. We haven’t outlawed cell phones to stop texting accidents, we haven’t outlawed alcohol to stop drunk driving, we haven’t stopped pharma from producing drugs that are misused...the list will go on. The difference is the people could never use any of those to one day overthrow those in power for one, and for two - we don’t make a big deal about the numbers that die daily from the others. The knee jerk reaction to the senseless violence and the constant blame of the firearm are a side effect of the style of reporting. People might just be a little more fed up with the rest of the major killers in this world if you shoved it in their face everyday. We like the things we do and nobody wants to give up the things they use responsibly due to the select few who use them improperly. I believe firearms would be in the same boat if it wasn’t constantly crammed down our throats that they are evil. Rant over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 Very well said, brother. Excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunuckgaucho Posted November 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 2 hours ago, DNP said: I believe firearms would be in the same boat if it wasn’t constantly crammed down our throats that they are evil. Yea funny that if there is a shooting it's gun that's the cause but if a drunk driver kills someone the brand of liquor or the car been driven is not responsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, Cunuckgaucho said: Yea funny that if there is a shooting it's gun that's the cause but if a drunk driver kills someone the brand of liquor or the car been driven is not responsible. That's the absurdity of it, right there. There are idiots out there that try to sue firearms manufacturers because that brand of gun was used by a Looney-Tune Idiot to kill a bunch of innocent people in a Gun Free Zone... Where are the lawsuits against Chevrolet and Ford and Chrysler, because that's what brand of vehicle a drunk driver was driving?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunuckgaucho Posted November 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2019 There was two incidents in Toronto last year, one involved a person with a known mental history that got his hand on an illegally owned handgun( his brother was a drug dealer) and shot two random people(a woman and 10 year old girl). The second involved a guy with mental/social issues and a rented van where he went onto the sidewalk and killed 10 people and injured a further 13 people. Majority of people targeted were women( He self identified as an incel). Well as we could predict the shooting blamed the evil gun and still gets media time and used as an argument for banning handguns in the city.. With the rental van murder no one said we need to make vans harder to rent or tighten up getting a drivers licence, in this case it was the perpetrator and his issues. Also after a couple months it was no longer a story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
308kiwi Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 The cracks are starting to appear, the public are seeing this for the farce that it is, the opposition political parties are finally waking up to the lies and the agendas. If we can make it to the next general election, Nov 2020, we may be able to salvage something from the trainwreck that this has become. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, 308kiwi said: The cracks are starting to appear, the public are seeing this for the farce that it is, the opposition political parties are finally waking up to the lies and the agendas. If we can make it to the next general election, Nov 2020, we may be able to salvage something from the trainwreck that this has become. Hang in there brother - and never give up the fight. Don't ever be the one to end the fight... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
308kiwi Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, 98Z5V said: Hang in there brother - and never give up the fight. Don't ever be the one to end the fight... Absolutely, I don't think they were quite prepared for the amount of opposition, the defiance and the resilience of a lot of kiwi's, which is std leftist think anyway, "I am right, my ideology is the only way, why are you opposing me", fuckin brainwashed morons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 Fight those fuktards back, brother. No slack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 happy to hear your still in the fight and have the will to follow through! we will support you as we will need yours when it counts.. daily! keep us in the loop🍻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunuckgaucho Posted November 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 @308kiwi, Glad to hear from you and even happier that cracks are appearing in the anti's facade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmackc Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 On 11/10/2019 at 12:01 PM, DNP said: It would all make sense...not be right, but make sense...if they attacked everything that causes deaths in the same fashion. We haven’t outlawed cell phones to stop texting accidents, we haven’t outlawed alcohol to stop drunk driving, we haven’t stopped pharma from producing drugs that are misused...the list will go on. The difference is the people could never use any of those to one day overthrow those in power for one, and for two - we don’t make a big deal about the numbers that die daily from the others. The knee jerk reaction to the senseless violence and the constant blame of the firearm are a side effect of the style of reporting. People might just be a little more fed up with the rest of the major killers in this world if you shoved it in their face everyday. We like the things we do and nobody wants to give up the things they use responsibly due to the select few who use them improperly. I believe firearms would be in the same boat if it wasn’t constantly crammed down our throats that they are evil. Rant over. So what you are saying is, we can't use cell phones, bad, bad, pharmaceuticals and our automobiles going astray, to defend our liberty and freedom, but those bad, bad patriots could use their bad, bad, firearms to defend themselves against a despotic and tyrannical Federal or state government ? Right on patriotic guy. . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunuckgaucho Posted November 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 Back in 1995 the Canadian government( Lieberals) implement a gun registry( handguns already registered) of non restricted firearms( rifles and shotguns) the estimated cost was to be CAN$2 million(1995),by 2004-05 the registry had cost CAN$1 Billion. After the long gun registry was repealed, with anti's claiming the streets would run red with blood, violent crime strangely not only dropped but continued to drop. Just like the police in New Zealand, the number of guns out in the 'wild' changed to improve the compliance percentage after the fact . I'm sure spent differently CAN$1 Billion could have saved/improved many more lifes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 15 hours ago, Cunuckgaucho said: @308kiwi, Glad to hear from you and even happier that cracks are appearing in the anti's facade. Hell yeah, keep fighting those fuktards 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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