Sisco Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Went to the movie of the same name last night. Have to say I enjoyed it and was impressed with the attention to detail in regards to WWII armor and weaponery the Director and Producer showed. There was some of the ten men taken out by one grenade, stuff, but not too much. For the most part it was gritty and real, right down to the ripping sound made by the MG34's because of their high cyclic rate. Have to admire our fathers and grandfaters who had the courage to go up against Tigers and Panthers in a flammable tin box like the Sherman. Outgunned and out armored, they gave a damn fine account of themselves. See it if you havent as of yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microgunner Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 I'll be watching it the second it's available on PPV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONTANA308 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Was gonna go last night but showed up at the wrong time. Going to try and get there this week some time. Heard its a pretty good flic though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaDuce Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) This will probably be the first movie I go out of my way to see in theaters since Lord of the Rings. I watched a documentary about it and it looks like they went to great lengths to make it as real as they could. Fascinating that they managed to get the British War Museum to lend them the only running Tiger tank in the world. Edited November 18, 2014 by MaDuce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted November 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 This will probably be the first movie I go out of my way to see in theaters since Lord of the Rings. I watched a documentary about it and it looks like they went to great lengths to make it as real as they could. Fascinating that they managed to get the British War Museum to lend them the only running Tiger tank in the world. I did not know that, but while I was watching it I said to myself "How the heck did special effects put that replica Tiger together?" You answered, it was the real deal. But everything, right down to the Sturmgewher 44's was completely realistic. A little of it was disconcerting, like what they did with bodies, but in a total war there are so many of them they don't really have much choice. Just a very very realistic movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DNP Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 I gotta go see this. I will have to ask the grandparents to watch my boy for a night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted November 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) Good find Ma2. I know their were two different Sherman models at least in the movie. The three that were taken out by the Tiger are standard with the 75 mm gun that was the standard armament. The "Fury" was a Sherman Firefly which had a British 17 pdr cannon that had a better chance of penetrating the Tigers side and back armor. Neither of which matched up with the Tigers 88 mm high velocity gun. At the end of the war a few M47 Pershings started showing up for the US. These had a 90mm cannon that was better, but still not as high a velocity as the 88. The US Army uprated it after the war and put it in the M48 Patton, which still used gas so it was still a "Ronson lighter " so to speak. With the M 60 they finally went diesel. And retrofitted diesels to most the M48s. Edited November 19, 2014 by Sisco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 I want to see this, but I don't think that I should take my wife... she wouldn't appreciate it... lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted November 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 I didn't think so either, but she surprised me, she thought it was a great film. Maybe it was Brad Pitt with his shirt off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 I gotta go see this. I will have to ask the grandparents to watch my boy for a night. Shiit...I was taken to see Midway at like 6 years old. Bring 'em along! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted November 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Leave your son at home, this is pretty graphic including what a shaped charge does to a tankers face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Saw it opening night it was to say the least sombering, it was very well done and tells a tale everyone should see and Hear, to many people today take for granted our freedoms that have been won and defended at such a high cost, it is a realistic look at what becomes of men in war when all their mission is ,is to kill the enemy.. I highly recommend this movie.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaDuce Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Good find Ma2. I know their were two different Sherman models at least in the movie. The three that were taken out by the Tiger are standard with the 75 mm gun that was the standard armament. The "Fury" was a Sherman Firefly which had a British 17 pdr cannon that had a better chance of penetrating the Tigers side and back armor. Neither of which matched up with the Tigers 88 mm high velocity gun. At the end of the war a few M47 Pershings started showing up for the US. These had a 90mm cannon that was better, but still not as high a velocity as the 88. The US Army uprated it after the war and put it in the M48 Patton, which still used gas so it was still a "Ronson lighter " so to speak. With the M 60 they finally went diesel. And retrofitted diesels to most the M48s. Yeah, but amazingly the Tiger wasn't even close to Germany's deadliest armored vehicle. Get a load of some of these monsters: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 MaDuce, is there any written article that coincides with the video you posted? I am EXTREMELY curious as to what your talking about, but sadly, streaming video isn't really an option for me... :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaDuce Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) MaDuce, is there any written article that coincides with the video you posted? I am EXTREMELY curious as to what your talking about, but sadly, streaming video isn't really an option for me... :/ The Tiger II; as the name suggests, was a bigger and badder version of the Tiger and with sloped armor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_II The Jagdtiger was basically a Tiger II that had forsaken the turret for a bigger gun. Supposedly the Jagdtiger could blow an entire Sherman tank to bits with a single shot. Up close the Jagdtiger's main gun looks more like a battleship gun then that of a WW II era tank. Tank destroyers were Germany's forgotten and overlooked monsters of WW II. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagdtiger Edited November 20, 2014 by MaDuce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Thanks! That is some incredible stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaDuce Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) Another one worth checking out was the Ferdinand (named after Ferdinand Porsche, the founder of Porsche and inventor of the VW Beetle. It was so heavily armored that the allies couldn't defeat it's armor at all. With very few exceptions, only mechanical failure and lack of fuel brought it down. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elefant Edited November 20, 2014 by MaDuce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted November 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) The Ferdinand "Oliphant" was introduced at the Battle of Kursk on the Eastern Front, slow and extremely heavy, it bogged down in soft ground and tank traps, as it did not have an anti personnel machine gun, it was then a sitting duck for infantry teams with satchel charges to immobilise it. Actually the best tanks of WW2 were Soviet tanks hands down. The T-34/76 , the T-34/85, and the KV-1 heavy were all better than everything except perhaps the German Panther. Or the Leopard The T-34 was the reason the Tiger was produced. As German Mark IV's were in the class of the Sherman, and did about as well against the T-34 as the Shermans did against the Tiger. Edited November 20, 2014 by Sisco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaDuce Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 The Ferdinand "Oliphant" was introduced at the Battle of Kursk on the Eastern Front, slow and extremely heavy, it bogged down in soft ground and tank traps, as it did not have an anti personnel machine gun, it was then a sitting duck for infantry teams with satchel charges to immobilise it. Actually the best tanks of WW2 were Soviet tanks hands down. The T-34/76 , the T-34/85, and the KV-1 heavy were all better than everything except perhaps the German Panther. Or the Leopard The T-34 was the reason the Tiger was produced. As German Mark IV's were in the class of the Sherman, and did about as well against the T-34 as the Shermans did against the Tiger. Yeah. The T34 was arguably the tank equivalent to the AK47. Cheap but reliable, versatile and good enough in all the right areas. It's pretty widely believed to be the best tank of the war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 German WWII tech just astounds me. When the pressure is on, and you have some creative people, it is incredible what you can come up with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 and a supportive government more interested in conquering the world than securing contracts for their financial backers..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted November 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 German WWII tech just astounds me. When the pressure is on, and you have some creative people, it is incredible what you can come up with. WW2 German tech was amazing. Where they got an "F" was in ease and volume of manufacturing. Only 1,347 Tigers were ever built. 6,000 Panthers were built. The Americans produced 40,000+ Shermans and the Russians 40,000+ T34's. Plus both the Tigers and Panthers were prone to breaking down and were essentially hand built, as methods for their assembly line manufacture were never developed. Same with the Me 262 jet.The Germans had tech superiority, but they were way behind in assembly line techniques compared to the Americans and the Russians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 AHC shows the straight dope on tank battles,with a narrative from the men that were there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 Saw it tonight really good I like the fact that not everyone was carrying an M1 or a thompson...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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