392heminut Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 Sucks that I got to this thread so late. You should have put red Loctite in the pin holes in the frame before putting the plunger tube on the frame and staking the pins! The red Loctite fills up any voids or slop between the staking pins and the frame so the tube can't move. The reason the pins shear off is because of recoil forces causing the tube to move and the red Loctite stops that. Those itty bitty front sight blades that Colt put on the old models? They sheared off for the same reason, even though there was very little mass to them. Back before the dovetailed front sights got popular we used to stake them on and I always filled the sight channel with red Loctite before staking the sight on. I never had a front sight or plunger tube that I did come loose. Same thing with those grip bushings, they are supposed to be staked after screwing them into the grip frame. Always put red Loctite on the threads and then stake them. DON'T put any kind of Loctite on the grip screws themselves. I can usually get the bushings off the grip screws when they come out like that and use them over again. I hold the threaded part of the bushing with the tip of the jaws on a pair of pliers and back the grip screw out with a screwdriver or allen wrench. A little work with a three cornered needle file and some careful attention starting them back straight into the grip frame usually works. If some dumbass put some kind of thread locker on the grips screws all bets are off though. BTW, there is a special tool for staking the grip screw bushings too, it's almost impossible to properly stake them without it.
sketch Posted September 16, 2015 Author Report Posted September 16, 2015 Dang larry i myself was wondering where the 1911 pro was? thanks for the info ill have to look for the staking tool cus im sure the top bushing are impossible!
392heminut Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 This is the tool for staking the grip bushings;http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/power-tools-accessories/drill-bits/grip-bushing-staker-sku080644000-696-2869.aspx?sku=080-644-000
392heminut Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 (edited) Another thing I forgot to mention is that I use a ball cutter in a dremel tool to bevel the holes for the plunger tube pins on the inside of the frame. It only takes just a little bevel and gives the pins something to swage into when you stake them. When the plunger tube gets loose it's usually because the staked pins had no place to flare into when they were staked and this solves that issue. I've actually removed plunger tubes that were loose and beveled the inside of the hole and reinstalled the same tube with the Loctite and restaking and had them work just fine after that. Edited September 16, 2015 by 392heminut
sketch Posted September 22, 2015 Author Report Posted September 22, 2015 (edited) Finished the rebuild and it looks better than recived! Haha ill refer to more experienced brothers but i feel good about it! Had to drill out one grip screw just to free up the grip. I had some stain left over from a deck that matched perfectly and cleaned up some wear. Thanks for your help! Edited September 22, 2015 by sketch I see i should blue the slide stop marks but it might sell for less if I don't ?
98Z5V Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 After THAT kinda work! Damn! You need to tell your buddy that he can repay you in only ONE way... "GO downtown and get two blowjobs, and bring one back for me..." LMFAO!
sketch Posted September 22, 2015 Author Report Posted September 22, 2015 Whos your buddy whos your pal !
Sisco Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Nice job Sketch. Yep, your buddy owes you big time.
sketch Posted September 22, 2015 Author Report Posted September 22, 2015 Im proude to have such a friend!
392heminut Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 Good job Sketch! Now you know more about 1911's than a lot of others do.
survivalshop Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) Nice job .I don't normally re-stake the Plunger tube or the Grip Screw bushings , I replace with a new part & as said , use red loc tite . Grip screw Bushings are notorious for stripping out & just spinning on 1911's . Just think , with out the Grip screw bushings , you would be welding (or trying to weld ) up Frames , to re-thread . Edited September 24, 2015 by survivalshop
Magwa Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 great job and great thread I learned a lot....
sketch Posted September 24, 2015 Author Report Posted September 24, 2015 Thanks to this group of builders i would not have had the confidence to even entertain such a problem nor had i herd of it! But as many times proven ask the question and .308 will have the answer or many! You guys rock!!I did not stake the the bushings but did locktite (red) if they are a problem later i will definitely do as larry suggest and buy the tool!
mrmackc Posted September 25, 2015 Report Posted September 25, 2015 (edited) here is a staking tool from Midway for around $30. You will still need a Dremel 1/8" ball cutter (I used a dental burr) a small close fitting drill bit to closely fit inside the tube, and some red loctite. I rednecked a tool back in the 70 when I worked on these old 1911 pistols, I used a steel BB epoxyed to the jaw of a big set of Visegrips, held it over an anvil and smacked it with a hammer, didn't have loctite, used a piece of drill rod inside the tube but it worked but it was kind of a snakey gilfkk operation. Edited September 25, 2015 by mrmackc Corrected to visegrips
sketch Posted October 22, 2015 Author Report Posted October 22, 2015 She's cursed fellas! One of the new wilson grip screws has sheared off! Im going in again but oh... Now i have loctited the bushing so now im going for just the shered off part with grips mounted! Ive done this on my mx bike a few times so no worries...side note im adding a rubber washer when i fiix the broken screw so recoile will ( hopefully) not loosen the wood grips? Was hoping the wood grips would go away but not my rig?
392heminut Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 Sketch, I've never had a grip screw break! You are having some terrible luck brother!
planeflyer21 Posted October 22, 2015 Report Posted October 22, 2015 Sketch, I've never had a grip screw break! You are having some terrible luck brother!I've never heard of it. Plenty of people crack grips. Had to be a compromised screw.
Rsquared Posted October 23, 2015 Report Posted October 23, 2015 The brother obviously has luck similar to mine. laughing
sketch Posted November 7, 2015 Author Report Posted November 7, 2015 We'll shits i have the same order of Wilson Combat 1911 grip screws and I easily snapped off the head with finger tip pressure! Good thing it was a 4 pack? i added a rubber o ring this time and let the grips be solid!!
sketch Posted October 21, 2016 Author Report Posted October 21, 2016 Added a new tool for multiple aplications? Glock m&p 1911
planeflyer21 Posted October 22, 2016 Report Posted October 22, 2016 Well since the CPR worked on this thread, may as well post an old link I found while sorting bookmarks: http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/tech/toolbox.htm
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