survivalshop Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 While I can understand this decision , its not my personal choice . This Country's firearms manufacturers need to find a way to have one of our Hand Guns in the hands of our military , but they see to not have what it takes , one way or another . http://kitup.military.com/2016/10/marsoc-chooses-glock-19s-45s-raiders.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 I'm glad. I know this will somehow help Robocop validate his own personal choice recently to own a Glock. Hopefully this is one of the last hurrahs of globalist thinkers in our military. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Fom the article, it sounds like it was a decision made from the "ground up" or in this case the "grunt up". As they are the ones betting their lives on their sidearm, they should have the biggest say in what they can carry. So..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Lol. My buddy's son started with MARSOC last year. He said that he was issued a G19 right out of training. Never even shot the 1911. This plan has been in the works for quite some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 40 minutes ago, Robocop1051 said: Lol. My buddy's son started with MARSOC last year. He said that he was issued a G19 right out of training. Never even shot the 1911. This plan has been in the works for quite some time. I hope you mean "never even shot one of their duty 1911s". If he's never shot a 1911 you need to take him shooting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTrooper Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 it's all politics and money, someone involved had their hand in the cookie jar and that's why the decision was made. my proof to this is past things such as the army going to ACUs that only blend in with pea gravel on children playgrounds. not to mention sticking with 5.56 when there are many better options out there. my time in the military showed me that decisions are made not for the benefit of the troops, but for one or more higher ranked (military or political) person's agenda. 1 hour ago, Robocop1051 said: My buddy's son started with MARSOC last year. He said that he was issued a G19 right out of training. Never even shot the 1911. This plan has been in the works for quite some time. and this goes to show what I mean. if they were issuing them out already, they were just making it seem like they were considering other options. lol. so I try and stay away from getting anything the military decided to purchase because it usually the cheapest option or just a poor option that someone with power benefitted from. plus as soon as the military has purchased it, the prices skyrocket on the civilian market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 4 hours ago, Sisco said: Fom the article, it sounds like it was a decision made from the "ground up" or in this case the "grunt up". As they are the ones betting their lives on their sidearm, they should have the biggest say in what they can carry. So..... One would hope so , but I would have to talk with some that made that determination . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTrooper Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 I call bull! I would rather carry a 1911 in combat than a glock. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 2 hours ago, ARTrooper said: I call bull! I would rather carry a 1911 in combat than a glock. :P I wouldn't. And I very much dislike Glocks. A "combat ready 1911" that will run like a top will cost $3000 or more. Add dirt and grit and they get worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTrooper Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 well an m249 isn't that easy to take care of and has plenty of issues with dirt and grit, but an infantryman takes care of his weapon in the field. if he falls, he protects his weapon from the fall. besides, remember, they did use 1911s in combat for years and years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachmaster Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 You should have seen my $800 1911 running at Tactical Response for 5 days ;-) There are a lot of issues in the 1911 community, and most of those issues, sadly, stem from the fact that too many 1911s are sitting on shelves, and an owner that keeps his 1911's on the shelf will never hold the manufacture accountable. So we see prettier and prettier budget 1911s, and poorer and poorer fit on many. Even brands that are considered to be acceptable outside of the 1911 user community. Sad. Glocks have their place... just not on my side ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 ^^^ I'm with him on this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted October 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 I had a WWII Remington Rand 1911 that we did everything we could think of to make it not function , throwing it in the mud , stepping on it in the Mud , then rolling it in the dirt , snow drifts & it would fire every time . That old war horse was loose as a goose , but would hit the Target every time . No it would not print MOA . I can say that ,the only thing I see, is that in Combat , I would like to have a few more then eight rounds to play with . that is what the Glock has going for it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
392heminut Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 9 hours ago, planeflyer21 said: A "combat ready 1911" that will run like a top will cost $3000 or more. Add dirt and grit and they get worse. I gotta call BS on that Jon! I don't know what you deem as necessary on a 'combat ready' 1911 but by my standards of a combat ready 1911 I can build one in the range of $1000-$1200 that I would trust my life on in any conditions! It's just not that expensive to build a really dependable 1911. Bill Wilson, Ed Brown, Les Baer, you're paying an extra $1000 or more just for the privilege of having their name on the slide, plain and simple! It's a status thing that I don't buy into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 Paid about $750 for my Springfield Loaded 1911 after a few failures during the initial 200 rounds it has been flawless for many thousand, two issues that ended up being long cartridge cases. You don't have to spend big bucks to get a dependable 1911. The old beaters I was trained on worked fine, even after low crawling in mud it only took a half canteen of water poured through it for an event free range session. Best of all they feel good in my hand, natural point of aim not like trying to aim a plastic 2x4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 All fine and well but MARSOC would never be getting properly fit, well-tuned, correctly maintained by their armorer 1911s, with enough spares and spare parts in the world-wide supply line. I've owned and shot plenty of 1911s, owning five in 3 different calibers. Owned one Glock 19 and sold it as soon as I quit corrections. I'll still take the easier manual of arms, higher round count, less parts to break, durable plastic over nostalgia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTrooper Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 "I'll still take the easier manual of arms, higher round count, less parts to break, durable plastic over nostalgia." you just described 80% of pistols out there today. lol. plenty of other choices than glocks Sig P320!!!!!! the round count is the only reason I would choose the glock over a 1911... but I'm about making my rounds count and doing in-battery reloads to top off the rounds in your gun once you have the chance anyways. lets face it, the choice of what gun to use came down to power, money, and politics like every other decision that happens in government. I doubt they really showed up to a range with a dozen types of pistols that would work for their mission and let the MARSOC guys try them all out and let them all choose, because I doubt the majority would of liked the glock. 13 hours ago, 392heminut said: 23 hours ago, planeflyer21 said: I gotta call BS on that Jon! I don't know what you deem as necessary on a 'combat ready' 1911 but by my standards of a combat ready 1911 I can build one in the range of $1000-$1200 that I would trust my life on in any conditions! It's just not that expensive to build a really dependable 1911. Bill Wilson, Ed Brown, Les Baer, you're paying an extra $1000 or more just for the privilege of having their name on the slide, plain and simple! It's a status thing that I don't buy into. hmmmm... should I build a 1911 over buying one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 1 hour ago, ARTrooper said: you just described 80% of pistols out there today. lol. plenty of other choices than glocks True. That's why my XDM is my carry choice, as would be my FNS9, if people made carry gear for it. But those weren't choices for MARSOC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 Was the Sig P226 one of the choices ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 This is the choice they were looking at in 2011. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 What was wrong with the Beretta M92 or the M92FS ..... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 SilencerCo Maxim-9 Uses Glock G17 Mags and Glock Sights Suppressed with ALL ammo. Remove front baffles if sub-ammo is used. New model coming soon, with integrated laser and light in the bottom of the suppressor unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 24 minutes ago, Robocop1051 said: SilencerCo Maxim-9 Uses Glock G17 Mags and Glock Sights Suppressed with ALL ammo. Remove front baffles if sub-ammo is used. New model coming soon, with integrated laser and light in the bottom of the suppressor unit. Does this count a derailing a thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTrooper Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 yeah I think the xdm and fns9 are both better choices than glock, but like it was said, it wasn't even offered to the marsoc boys. again, pretty sure it all had to do with money, power, and politics. robo, isn't that the pistols that blade used to kill vampires? lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikedaddyH Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 https://thearmsguide.com/8450/is-the-sig-mk25-really-inferior-to-the-glock19/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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