WARNING! IMI GARBAGE From MIDWAY!!!!

[jtallen83]

On 7/8/2017 at 2:09 AM, 98Z5V said:

I HATE reloading that Federal XM193 brass.  The first time sucks.  Getting the primer crimp out of that shiit will drive a man crazy.  The crimp is so damn tight that the primer pockets get deformed inward - it even "sticks" on my RCBS Swager 2 tool...  I've had more than 1 probably 4 or 5 decapping pins break off trying to get the primers out...

After that first time, though - it's good brass.  It's just alot of work...

Is this the Federal 223 headstamped stuff? The Federal 5.56 XM193 I have has all been headstamped LC. I just bought three extra decapping pins but really don't want to mess with the stuff if it's a hassle, I'll just toss it in the box for the brass exchange program at Freedom, they get all my Berdan primed cases  

[survivalshop]

  I had some PIP that the flash holes were too small for the Decapping pin , I bent three or four before I sorted them all out , to this day , I sort them out , you can see they are too small , the pin sometimes will open it up , but way waste pins , which I do have a good supply .

 Cant say I have reloaded any Fed XM193 , but have loaded Fed cases , not sure what they were ,( range brass ), because I don't buy loaded Ammo , I have some limited factory ammo , for testing , but its a very small amount , couple of box's .

 

  Someone send me some & I will test it                  Even though I believe 98 , you can still send me some to test , wait , maybe I shouldn't of said that .

[jtallen83]

1 hour ago, survivalshop said:

  Someone send me some & I will test it                  Even though I believe 98 , you can still send me some to test , wait , maybe I shouldn't of said that .

Maybe I'll send you a box of the replacement IMI to "test" for me. 

[survivalshop]

 Hell , I can make it blow primers !  I want some tough love XM 193 to check out , thing is I have probably loaded some & didn't pay attention to what it was ,but the NATO head stamp & Fed. , now that PIP got my attention , with a bent pin almost every case .

[98Z5V]

8 hours ago, jtallen83 said:

Is this the Federal 223 headstamped stuff? The Federal 5.56 XM193 I have has all been headstamped LC. I just bought three extra decapping pins but really don't want to mess with the stuff if it's a hassle, I'll just toss it in the box for the brass exchange program at Freedom, they get all my Berdan primed cases  

Shouldn't be the .223 Rem ammo, just the NATO.  It'll have FC in the case head, the NATO stamp, and 5.56... 

[jtallen83]

1 minute ago, 98Z5V said:

Shouldn't be the .223 Rem ammo, just the NATO.  It'll have FC in the case head, the NATO stamp, and 5.56... 

Haven't seen that combo on 5.56. Any idea what the packaging looks like? Might have some and not realize it.

Edited July 9, 2017 by jtallen83

[98Z5V]

3 minutes ago, jtallen83 said:

Haven't seen that combo on 5.56. Any idea what the packaging looks like?

I'm positive that I don't have any of it in the house - but I'll probably have some of the brass.  I usually end up with it after a shooting session, picking up brass. 

[jtallen83]

I almost deleted this email from Midway, glad I didn't because I had no intention of visiting the site. The reviews seem to have finally got through to them, after about 6 emails telling me I was out of luck this one shows up;

Dear Jim,

 

Thank you for your review regarding the IMI Ammunition. I am very sorry for the delay in our response, however because this ammunition did not live up to our standards I have issued a refund for the purchase price to your account in store credit. Please feel free to give us a call at the number below if you need further assistance.

 

If you have any additional questions or comments, please feel free to contact us at 1-800-243-3220. Our hours of operation are Monday through Friday 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. CST. You may also email us atcustomerservice@midwayusa.com.

 

Thanks for Your Business!

 

Chris

MidwayUSA Customer Service

[sketch]

better late than never..

[jtallen83]

Decided to try some of the new FGMM;

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/598782/federal-premium-gold-medal-berger-ammuniton-308-winchester-185-grain-berger-juggernaut-open-tip-match-box-of-20

[survivalshop]

  Thats an interesting turn around from the first email .

[98Z5V]

Indeed...  

[jtallen83]

5 hours ago, survivalshop said:

  Thats an interesting turn around from the first email .

I did plaster that review around the net a bit.......

[shepp]

5 hours ago, jtallen83 said:

I did plaster that review around the net a bit.......

If it was done like it was here which I would assume it was, it was done in good taste and it was a fair warning of a shit product. Good on midway for finally stepping up and comping you.

[guruofhotrod]

The Fed XM193 I've decapped has been stamped LC, the last two digits of the year and the NATO cross - takes some effort but I just knock them out on the Rock Chucker

[jtallen83]

6 hours ago, guruofhotrod said:

The Fed XM193 I've decapped has been stamped LC, the last two digits of the year and the NATO cross - takes some effort but I just knock them out on the Rock Chucker

That is what I'm used to seeing as well. Got about a half a 5 gallon bucket of the stuff waiting for my time.

[98Z5V]

If you guys catch the FC (Federal Cartridge) headstamp, have spare decapping pins ready... 

If one of them breaks a decapping pin, be prepared for one of two things:  cutting some crimp for quite awhile, or throw that bitch away right then... 

[MikedaddyH]

9 hours ago, 98Z5V said:

If you guys catch the FC (Federal Cartridge) headstamp, have spare decapping pins ready... 

If one of them breaks a decapping pin, be prepared for one of two things:  cutting some crimp for quite awhile, or throw that bitch away right then... 

This is the best way to deal with crimped pockets the other is an RBCS hand tool and near carpel tunnel pain ! Or you can just toss the LC/Federal brass in your friends bucket and he can deal with it ! LMAF ! ??????

[survivalshop]

 I see that Fed . NATO XM 193 5.56 is sold both with LC brass & American Eagle NATO XM 193 Ammo , could the AE be FC Brass ? 

 I use the RCBS Primer Pocket Uniformer that is a Die you install in your Press 

Edited July 14, 2017 by survivalshop

[Sisco]

I use the dedicated RCBS depriming die. Never had a problem with any brass.

[98Z5V]

6 hours ago, survivalshop said:

 I see that Fed . NATO XM 193 5.56 is sold both with LC brass & American Eagle NATO XM 193 Ammo , could the AE be FC Brass ? 

 I use the RCBS Primer Pocket Uniformer that is a Die you install in your Press 

Very well could be the AE ammo with the FC headstamp.  I know I don't buy it.  The damn stuff just winds up in my bucket...  MikeDaddy... 

I'll look that die up, ss - is it the same deal as the Primer Pocket Swager 2?

[survivalshop]

7 hours ago, 98Z5V said:

Very well could be the AE ammo with the FC headstamp.  I know I don't buy it.  The damn stuff just winds up in my bucket...  MikeDaddy... 

I'll look that die up, ss - is it the same deal as the Primer Pocket Swager 2?

  Yes , I just have the early one , I believe you use one . Depriming is another story if your bending or breaking Depriming Pins .

[98Z5V]

Yep, I've got one - works like a charm, too. 

[survivalshop]

 The Dillon primer pocket swager is a very good heavy duty one , thats for sure .

[jtallen83]

IMI replaced the whole order even though I had shot half of it, nephew is going to take a couple boxes to shoot and make sure it isn't the same problem all over, If it's good then I didn't come out to bad.