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Bolt Action AR uppers

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 I was kind of pissed off myself at first when I read I was kind of pissed off myself at first when I read this also. Upon further consideration, I do believe they are correct. Any other bolt action rifle is serialized by the receiver with in which the bolt of the rifle resides and operates. Just because this tubular receiver bolts on to another receiver such as an 308 AR type of receiver, doesn't make it a "non receiver".... at least that's how I would tend to understand this also.

 

 the big the big problem is now how to easily and cleanly deal with everything that's already out there of this type of accessory / newly reclassified firearm.

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Okay, using their logic - if I buy one of these upper assemblies (since they say it's a "firearm"), how do I fire it?...

If it's a "firearm" then I should be able to fire it (send a round) as soon as I pick it up (literally, in my hands), right? 

Nope, have to add an AR lower receiver and trigger group to the mix, in order to shoot it. Since the AR lower is serialized...   what's the serial number of my rifle?  Do I have to use BOTH serial numbers?

This is fucking stupid, on their part.  Purely ignorant. 

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Ok so does the upper bolt action have a barrel? will it fire with said barrel on ...NO because it has no trigger is this correct? the lower has the trigger? i thought the trigger was the firearm ie....sig P320?i need to see this thing.....

just took a look ...i call BS on this one you can,t have it both ways

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They are just trying to serialize everything to be able to keep tabs on things and make things harder to get maybe. idk, but the ATF's reputation has gone to crap and seems to be politically motivated.

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A stripped receiver ( pick any bolt action maker if you want) the tube of the mechanism where the bolt rides in and the barrel attaches is serialized as the receiver. If you get a custom maker, order a stripped Remington bolt action (or a blue printed one from another gunsmith) receiver from Brownells, however one wants to get it.....it is still the serialized part. Even with no trigger assembly, stock, what have you. ...it is still the receiver by longstanding definition.

 

Whether we like it or not,  I do think this has been slipping under the radar for years. My first thoughts about these years ago, when the first 50BMG styles were being put out, was curiosity of how this wasn't considered a firearm back then.

And I do agree that this is just one more way to register everything, hands down. No argument there.

Edited by bubbas4570
clarifying my thoughts and example

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The FAL is made no differently than a bolt action, it feeds into the action and the barrel is attached to this serialized part, nodifference.

Our AR'S are the exception in which parts are serialzied. Normally the barrel attachment part is the serialzied receiver. For whatever reason the brain trust at the federal level went with the ammunition feeding part instead of the "normal" way it had been done previously and since to every other style of firearm.

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 Not sure why the Bolt gun would be different than any other AR type Upper Receiver assembly , but I'm not familiar with hat action or its inner workings . Does the normal AR Fire Control Group Hammer, engage the Firing Pin ? If it does , there is no difference in components to differentiate it from a normal AR Upper .

It may be as said , because its a Bolt action & not a semi auto .

I see one comment made reference to it being a .50 cal. , not sure what difference that would make . If they us the same logic on that Upper assembly , why not all the AR types , I still say it must be something with importing , but I've been wrong before . 

The BATF/E has always had issues , political motivated depending on who's in office .

This is a strange ruling , well we also have to consider the source & they have changed their rulings before , it doesn't happen too often , but its possible . 

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This from the M14 Forum, I don't know enough about this type of Upper assembly to have a conclusion .

" Here's the thing: These uppers incorporate the barrel and locking lugs, as well as the magazine assembly, of the important things a receiver does, it does two out of three.

Generally, two out of three gets you classed as a "receiver".

FAL - barrel and locking system, and magazine.
M14/M1 - barrel and locking system and half of the magazine locking system (and there is little else that could be classes as a receiver>)
M16/AR15 and all their copies as well as the AR18 and its variants - magazine and fire controls
Bolt actions - barrel and locking system and trigger mechanisms
Pistols - trigger mechanism and magazine.
Most older .22s have all three."
 

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I know that looking at this like any a other AR15/308AR upper, there isn't much difference than one type being manually activated and the others (semi or fully auto) being gas operated somehow. And I will leave the pump versions out of this discussion....

In my opinion, all the ATF is doing is trying to ID all the bolt uppers, and using the "it has a bolt action upper style receiver" argument to bolster their case. In their twisted logic, which I used in earlier posts, they probably think the pivot pin lugs constitute the place where the fire controls attach to.....

I do know the 50BMG types have everything on the upper needed to fire except trigger controls. They have the bolt, barrel, locking lugs, and the magazine sticking out the side (if mag fed) ; if single shot - there just is no magazine.

In many ways what is problematic to myself is that the 308 and 223 sized uppers are caught up in this crap.

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So, an AR open upper receiver with a barrel, and a BCG in it would fall into the same category as bolt action upper no?  Completes all of the same functions. Aside from bolt actions with horizontal magazines...that adds one more function to the mix. 

Seems like a dangerous path to making AR uppers a serialized part as well. 

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10 minutes ago, DNP said:

Seems like a dangerous path to making AR uppers a serialized part as well. 

One step at a time. They just hate  the idea that we can have most of a rifle shipped to us with no trail. Add in the 80% deal and they get livid. They want that paper trail, wonder why they think they need that??!?!?

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