gnatshooter Posted May 5, 2014 Author Report Posted May 5, 2014 Y'all still have to consider -- post #22 above -- that the ATF might consider muzzle brakes like this to be silencers/suppressors. Sure, the manufacturer won the case, while the judge said the ATF was completely bogus in calling the brake a silencer, he also gave the ATF another chance to prove its claim. The ATF might come back and make the judge happy with some claims about muzzle brakes like this. I personally have a Kaw Valley linear compensator on my DPMS LR308 that redirects the muzzle blast away from the shooter, so the ATF could come after me, too -- after raiding Kaw Valley for their customer list. Sorta like what they did to Ares Arms over their 80% lowers. Would the ATF like to make the President happy with a big roundup of 'people with assault weapon silencers'? Hm. Considering Operation Fast & Furious, and the Ares Arms abuse, uh, yes.
D.R.D. Posted May 5, 2014 Report Posted May 5, 2014 (edited) Now thoroughly confused.... ;-) Forgive me if this seem rudimentary: Just trying to understand since i don't have experience with all these difference muzzle devices. I was under the impression that brakes decrease recoil, compensators decrease muzzle flip, flash hiders do just that, and suppressors decrease sound. Which of the aforementioned do these "gas re-directors" do well exactly? Thanks, DRD Edited May 5, 2014 by D.R.D.
survivalshop Posted May 5, 2014 Report Posted May 5, 2014 That's a good question . Kinda a fuzzy area as far as Brakes & Compensators are concerned . Even a Sound Suppressor can also be a Brake/Compensator . There are some Flash Suppressors that say they also Compensate/Brake . Very confusing , to say the least . I am also a PRI fan , the one on my 20" HB works great , but many others out there that also work great . You can tell the difference , by the before & after installation. If you look back , the Cutts Compensator on the Thomson Sub Machine Gun , it has only cuts or elongated ports at the top of the Muzzle device & did a good job at redirecting muzzle blast up to compensate muzzle rise, didn't have to worry about a brake on such a heavy firearm shooting a pistol cartridge . Seems most of todays devices share some of each others traits & do a little of both, brake /compensate. Flash suppression , well that's a loaded term , mostly because they really don't suppress it, just redirect it, so as not to be seen as much from a different visual perspective . That's my take on the subject & I'm sure there are many other opinions .
gnatshooter Posted May 26, 2014 Author Report Posted May 26, 2014 (edited) Here's some muzzle brake technology that's so new, it has no customer reviews yet! This could very well be the ideal muzzle brake for use during a relaxing Memorial Day. During the rest of the year, the technology might be most useful for those who keep their rifle next to the couch in front of the television. Edited May 26, 2014 by gnatshooter
98Z5V Posted May 27, 2014 Report Posted May 27, 2014 (edited) Y'all still have to consider -- post #22 above -- that the ATF might consider muzzle brakes like this to be silencers/suppressors. . Bull$hit. John Noveske won that battle for everybody, already. If it doesn't reduce the decibel level, it doesn't matter WHERE the decibel level is directed. If it doesn't reduce the decibel level, it's not a "sound suppressor." Period. Edited May 27, 2014 by 98Z5V
StainTrain Posted May 27, 2014 Report Posted May 27, 2014 ^^^^^^Truth. Not only did Noveske win, but.....I predict Sig is going slam another one in the "W" column in the near future.
Robocop1051 Posted May 27, 2014 Report Posted May 27, 2014 What's Sig got in the works? Or is this in reference to their brace?
StainTrain Posted May 27, 2014 Report Posted May 27, 2014 This is a condensed version, but fairly accurate on the major points. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/04/foghorn/sig-sauer-sues-atf-calling-muzzle-brake-silencer/
98Z5V Posted May 27, 2014 Report Posted May 27, 2014 That. Is. Sweet. Don't take any $hit, SIG!!! :banana:
survivalshop Posted May 27, 2014 Report Posted May 27, 2014 It makes you wonder if BATFE is actually doing scientific testing on these devices or just saying it is so & ruling on them , with looks . Its always been what ever the BATFE says , not what it scientifically is . What do they care if some ones sues them , its not money out of there pockets.
D.R.D. Posted June 14, 2014 Report Posted June 14, 2014 Just to add to the list of brakes I'd love to see tested / compared: FSC30 Griffin 7.62 Flash Comp Lantac Dragon GoGun Supercomp-XL
FaRKle! Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 Just to add to the list of brakes I'd love to see tested / compared: FSC30Griffin 7.62 Flash CompLantac DragonGoGun Supercomp-XLGot the first three covered.
Robocop1051 Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 So far we have the following... BattleComp BABC PWS FSC30 LANTAC 7.62 Griffin Comp AAC Muzzle Brake JP/Cooley Tank Brake Surefire MAMS All the "big boys" in the industry.
Robocop1051 Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 If anyone wants to know how their device compares to the ones above, they can ship me their device and we'll add it to the filming. This will take a few weeks to complete, so be patient with us.
blue109 Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 hey tom...you still have a dynacomp to send them? I'd like to see it knuckle up with the BC. suppose I could pull mine off, but I need to get the scope zeroed up soon.
D.R.D. Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 Sweet! Any timeline for when you will be able to test them? Also, where will the testing be done?
shibiwan Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 I got a dynacomp on my 300 BLK....bad news is I pinned it in.
D.R.D. Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 I've been eternally curious about this one: http://rdprecision.net/mrad-muzzle-brake/ Anyone ever used this one before? Or this one: http://store.gogunusa.com/SuperComp-XL-Brake-762-X-51-308-5-8X24TPI-Parkzd-Steel-SCXL-308-762x51-ST-PZ-109.htm
FaRKle! Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 Surefire MAMS huh? I think you mean Knight's :-P
98Z5V Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 hey tom...you still have a dynacomp to send them? I'd like to see it knuckle up with the BC. suppose I could pull mine off, but I need to get the scope zeroed up soon. Nope. 1 is pinned and the other 2 are mounted. I can grab another one to send - I'm sure I'll use it sometime. When's the cutoff for this? When it the shoot/filming happening?
FaRKle! Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 Camera comes in next week. After that I just need to build the holding fixture (but that's easy). Then have to figure out when we can film. I'm hoping either July 4th weekend or end of July depending on when Robocop and Bubbasks are free.
98Z5V Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 I can just unmount the one on my 300BLK. Dawn Marie's is pinned. The other one is on the Ruger GSR, and it's a bitch taking that thing out of the stock and putting it in a vise. My 300BLK will get stripped. <thumbsup>
gnatshooter Posted June 15, 2014 Author Report Posted June 15, 2014 Camera comes in next week. After that I just need to build the holding fixture (but that's easy). Then have to figure out when we can film. I'm hoping either July 4th weekend or end of July depending on when Robocop and Bubbasks are free. Will you be doing noise comparisons "by ear" or measuring dBs with a meter? I've heard that some meters are not good a measuring transient sounds, such as rifle bangs.
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