shibiwan Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 (edited) By those wordings and your interpretation, you CAN buy a can that is made in AZ, in addition to making it yourself? Montana did something similar (MFFA) and they backed off when BATFE started pushing on them. Example: http://firearmsfreedomact.com/2009/09/29/929-batfe-letter-re-the-mffa/ The courts will see it as an attempt to circumvent the Commerce Clause of the Constitution. The current jurisprudence has broadly interpreted the Commerce Clause to the point of absurdity. The Robert's court hasn't been too keen on a retrenchment of that sweeping interpretation. ...and per the 9th Circuit Courts: http://firearmsfreedomact.com/2013/08/23/ninth-circuit-rules-in-firearms-freedom-act-case-82313/ I anticipate that the AZ law will be interpreted that way but nobody in AZ has tested it at all... the lack of which is probably due to the futility of the cause as demonstrated by what's areadly gone down in montana.... It's a legal minefield..... still good to know either way. Edited June 6, 2014 by shibiwan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 Show me something where it's been challenged in Arizona. Not something from Montana. 9th Circuit didn't challenge Arizona's law. Arizona's law has been in effect since 1 October 2010. It hasn't been overturned by anything else, since then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 Nobody's challenged it.. yet.... :)) I figure it's gonna be a wait and see situation. With my FFL so close, I probably wouldn't want to risk it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 By those wordings and your interpretation, By your own wordings, and own interpretation, you came to where you are on it. I'm just reading black and white, brother. It's legal. In black and white. And it's on our state legislature page. And it hasn't been overturned. They enacted it. Done. That $hit is real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 I'll be turning the lathe next weekend. <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 .22LR can is first, with aluminum barstock produced in AZ. Next is the 5.56 can, with steel bar stock produced in AZ. After that, I'll get creative. :banana: I'll stamp "Made in Arizona" on both of them, too, even though they won't be offered up for sale to anyone, ever. <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 (edited) I've got a reflex design to work with the Spike's Dynacomp. I could at least make the parts or it this week when I free up my lathe. :D Next would be one to work with the PWS FSC30. Does this mean we can also build SBR's from 100% AZ parts? Edited June 6, 2014 by shibiwan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 Does this mean we can also build SBR's from 100% AZ parts? It means exactly what it states. 13-3114. Arizona manufactured firearms; regulation; definitions A. Beginning October 1, 2010, a personal firearm, a firearm accessory or ammunition that is manufactured commercially or privately in this state and that remains within the borders of this state is not subject to federal law or federal regulation, including registration, under the authority of Congress to regulate interstate commerce and is not considered to have traveled in interstate commerce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 interesting....this requires meditation... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 You can't deny it with a beer in your hand......or two.....with a spare in your pocket. And that was just going outside for a smoke. <lmao> You got me there brother.You didn't miss a beat either brother just sayin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 That's why BDU pockets are as big as they are. For spare mags and spare beers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 .22LR can is first, with aluminum barstock produced in AZ. Next is the 5.56 can, with steel bar stock produced in AZ. After that, I'll get creative. :banana: I'll stamp "Made in Arizona" on both of them, too, even though they won't be offered up for sale to anyone, ever. <thumbsup> Well Arizona's law will not trump Federal law if the BATFE finds a Suppressor in your possession with out it being built & registered by a class II FFL manufacturer. I know it sounds good or reads good , but that law will not hold up in Federal court, but you can volunteer to be the first to try it out for us . <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 That's why BDU pockets are as big as they are. For spare mags and spare beers. Worked out good for the both of us brother Ron. <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 (edited) Well Arizona's law will not trump Federal law if the BATFE finds a Suppressor in your possession with out it being built & registered by a class II FFL manufacturer. I know it sounds good or reads good , but that law will not hold up in Federal court, but you can volunteer to be the first to try it out for us . <thumbsup> That's what I was trying to get across. Federal law pre-empts state law... if I didn't have this FFL stuff going on I'd consider it, but as of right now, I don't think it's prudent for me to do it. Might as well be patient and wait for the 07 FFL. Edited June 7, 2014 by shibiwan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 not that I disagree in this instance..but all the legal pot states defying federal law imply otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microgunner Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 so I guess you havnt seen the "solvent trap adaptors" for sale lately? mount an oil filter or commercial fuel filter on the end of your rifle to trap those nasty solvents while cleaning? not that I would have one of those for any reason...no way no how... Can't see your sights with those things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 Can't see your sights with those things. It depends on the firearm. On an AR-pattern rifle, if the oil filter is 4 inches or less in diameter, you should be able to sight over it with standard iron sights. Would probably not work with some BUIS that's out there. It would be fun to play with one of these on the muzzle of a .308. One interesting thing is that the oil filter is vented at the base, toward the shooter. I would imagine that the BATFE doesn't even approve of unlicensed experiments, though. And in the US, every parcel of mail is photographed, and the photos are stored for later search of who sent something to whom. The latest incident of sending anthrax through the mail was solved by the Post Office using this system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 My thought on those oil filter "cans" what kinda stress are you putting on your gun with back pressures befor that first shot knocks a hole in that filter??? Or am I just over thinking it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 My thought on those oil filter "cans" what kinda stress are you putting on your gun with back pressures befor that first shot knocks a hole in that filter??? Or am I just over thinking it Not over-thinking. And what about shrapnel from an exploding oil filter casing? If I was doing the deed, I'd drill a hole in the casing first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 There's always the NAPA 4003 fuel filter version of the solvent trap. Its built a lot more robust than an oil filter, and it's tapped for NPT threads on both ends. Simple to drill a hole in a NPT plug on the far end, and the slimmer profile will help with the sighting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 (edited) There's always the NAPA 4003 fuel filter version of the solvent trap. Its built a lot more robust than an oil filter, and it's tapped for NPT threads on both ends. Simple to drill a hole in a NPT plug on the far end, and the slimmer profile will help with the sighting. That is very cool. Of course you never tried it out, so there's no point in asking how well it works. >:D Thanks for adding the part number. Now I, too, can make sure not to use that combination of innocent things. >:D Edited June 7, 2014 by gnatshooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 (edited) No, but the components would be a cheap way to build a supressor. (Hey Tom, *nudge* *nudge*). Remove/cut off one end, drop in some K-baffles and close it back up with an end cap, serialize it and tada. BTW the Wix 24744 is a similar filter. >:D Edited June 7, 2014 by shibiwan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted June 8, 2014 Report Share Posted June 8, 2014 the same people make the adaptor for the fuel filters, and even sell them as a package deal. as far as practicality....I doubt anyone would risk cleaning their guns with this system in public under normal circumstances. I'd guess it's more of a SHTF gun cleaning option. at that point...who really gives a crap what any gov. agency says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted June 8, 2014 Report Share Posted June 8, 2014 the same people make the adaptor for the fuel filters, and even sell them as a package deal. as far as practicality....I doubt anyone would risk cleaning their guns with this system in public under normal circumstances. I'd guess it's more of a SHTF gun cleaning option. at that point...who really gives a crap what any gov. agency says. Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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