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It's not censorship. I commented right away - not quite time for me to go to church yet... I go to church for this. I don't come here for church. That's not why I'm here. If I want to read that on a forum, I'll find a religious forum for it. There's a reason the Politics section is separate. Same goes for religion. Saying it's censorship is pure bullshiit.

I think he was telling you that if you want a full, complete rifle, buy an Armalite. I concur. If you want to build a rifle, make it on a DPMS-based platform, and use Aero Precision major components. If you want to get into using all Armalite guts (complete operating system and recoil system) in a DPMS-based outer hardware build - I can tell you that it works, flawlessly. Here are the details on that:

That's an opinion, too - that doesn't fit the definition of this firearm. Strange - you can have an SBS in Ohio, legally - Short Barreled Shotgun. Go through the steps, and it's a legal item to own. So are Suppressors, SBRs, Machine Guns, Destructive Devices, and AOWs. All Ohio Legal.

It certainly is an opinion - BAFTE states what it definitely is. It's classified as a "firearm" and not a shotgun. That's clear cut. Ohio has an "opinion" on it - and that's what it getting you. It's entirely an "opinion" from a state that refuses to accept it's BATFE classification. It is completely true, that it was never a "shotgun" in the first place, because the definition of "shotgun" included a buttstock - which this was never manufactured with. That is clear, and proven. It's not my opinion that it was never a shotgun - BAFTE clearly states that it was never a shotgun, which is the key in making this legal in most states. Like it or not, that's the ground truth, right there.

Run.

I'm digging around inside this pdf document here - there's already a bill to change that: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:C1sFaG_C82YJ:search-prod.lis.state.oh.us/cm_pub_api/api/unwrap/chamber/132nd_ga/ready_for_publication/committee_docs/cmte_h_federalism_1/testimony/cmte_h_federalism_1_2018-04-17-0300_1339/ronald_lemieux_testimony.pdf+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-b-1-ab IV. Definition of a “Sawed-off Firearm,” R.C. 2923.11 (Lines 701-10) R.C. 2923.11(F) provides that a “Sawed-off firearm means a shotgun with a barrel less than eighteen inches long, or a rifle with a barrel less than sixteen inches long, or a shotgun or rifle less than twenty-six inches long overall." The Mossberg Shockwave has a barrel length of 14". Accordingly, with a barrel of less than 16" long, it is considered a "Sawed-off firearm" under Ohio Law. In Ohio, there is no barrel length exception, even with an overall length of 26” or greater, as Ohio does not recognize the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosive’s (“BATFE”) definition of a "Non-Regulated Shotgun" related to the manufacture and sale of Pistol Grip Only (“PGO”) shotguns. Following BATFE regulations, if, at the factory during the manufacturing process, a brand-new receiver is fitted with a pistol grip first instead of a shoulder stock, it's considered a PGO shotgun. Due to the manufacturing process used to build the gun, it doesn't fall under the purview of NFA regulations. Instead, the definitions that apply are found in the Gun Control Act of 1968 (“GCA”). Under these regulations, the Shockwave is legally considered a “firearm,” not a sawed-off-firearm. According to the GCA, if the overall length of that firearm, with the pistol grip and barrel installed, is greater than 26", then the barrel can legally be shorter than 18". In the case of the 14" barrel Mossberg 590 Shockwave, the Raptor bird's head grip gives the gun an overall length of 26.32". That makes it a firearm. Although the BATFE recognizes it as a "legal" shotgun, under the Ohio Revised Code, it does not meet the requirements. This Bill provides language that mirrors federal law and provides a more uniform and useful definition of a “sawed-off firearm,” while at the same time not circumventing the actual intent of the law itself.

It was never a "shotgun" to begin with, and the barrel has never been altered - therefore, it can't possibly be a "sawed-off shotgun" - it's neither of those things. What you linked was an opinion of an attorney that was working for a message board...

Well then - you'll love them both. My .338 Fed barrel and .260 Rem barrel are both Wilson Combat.

Whoa, Preacher. I still have 8 hours before church starts.

Did you get TWO Wilson Combat barrels?...

That should not have happened - it's a 2-stage trigger. You have to pull through the first stage weight, and it hits a stop - there is trigger bow movement through that first stage. From that stop point, it's go time. You apply the additional weight to it from that stop point, and it breaks the shot from right there. So, on that trigger, it takes 2.3lbs of pull weight to move that trigger bow to the stop - and you should hit a wall. It takes another 1.2lbs of additional pull weight to break the shot.

That specific Geissele is an exclusive trigger to Brownell's, only. There are two models of G2S (Geissele 2 Stage), when you count the Brownell's version. They follow the Geissele SSA (The Geissele G2S does), and that Brownell's exclusive follows the Geissele SSA-E. The Geissele G2S IS the Geissele SSA trigger - it is. The SSA gets MPI tested, every one, every part, then lasered. They only batch test the G2S, and don't laser it. That's what makes it cheaper to make, and cheaper to sell. That Brownell's version IS the Geissele SSA-E - same deal on it. It's batch tested, and not lasered like the G SSA-E is. It's a 3.5lb combined pull. The SSA-E is an excellent trigger, and it's not a crazy-light pull. It's a fantastic trigger for an AR. If that's too light for you, you need to move north in combined pull weight. The LaRue is a 4.5lb combined pull. You might like it. For $87, it's worth the risk.

Damnit...

Dead on the money on that gas tube.

Little bastard right there would go great with gravy.

It's so calming and peaceful up there...

I'm going down to the store to pick up the stuff for this right now... Seriously... EDIT - Oh Dear Lord... I can't wait for this to cool a little... This is dinner, all by itself...

As long as it's not your weiners that you wanna hold against me, then I can weather the storm...

Damn, brother - you sent me that PM, and I never got back to you. i opened it and read it at work, at lunch - then spaced it out... You are talking about 6.5-284 Norma, right? Or, 6.5-284 Winchester? They are almost twins, but neck diameter is the biggest difference. You'll need to know what chamber the barrel maker is cutting (probably Norma), and you'll need to turn the necks down on Winchester donor brass... Check it out: https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/6-5x284-norma-vs-6-5x284-win.101370/

Right on.

That gun is awesome! Great job on the load for it, too - wow!

FUK!!! I HAD SUCH A BONER LOOKING AT THAT THING!!! Seeing that 4.0L sitting on the floor, trans attached... gave me wood. Seeing that V8 sitting in there just about crushed me. That's gonna be a bad motherfucker...

Just bring it...

FWIW - I've never SEEN those barrels that cheap. I'm not saying that to push you into it - I'm saying that because I paid a HELL of alot more for my barrel, several years ago. Kill that sale they have right now, man - you won't see that for a long time. That's crazy...