planeflyer21 Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Funny. Six years ago, when "conspiracy theorists" were saying the Fukushima disaster was many magnitudes greater than Chernobyl, "authorities" worldwide were saying everything was okay. Being a tinfoil-hathead myself, I haven't eaten any Pacific or unidentified source sea fish since that meltdown. Incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 (edited) Soon as that happened I knew we had problems...Don't care what the officials say. Ive been trying to convince my wife to turn my small pool into a fish farm for years. Nobody uses it. Such a waste of money keeping it up. Also just read an article about the deepest probes in the Mariana trench finding heavy concentrations of petroleum and solvents. Guess we found where all the dumping collects. Edited February 28, 2017 by blue109 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted February 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 1 minute ago, blue109 said: Soon as that happened I knew we had problems...Don't care what the officials say. Ive been trying to convince my wife to turn my small pool into a fish farm for years. Nobody uses it. Such a waste of money keeping it up. Check out http://www.backyardaquaponics.com Not sure if they were the source of this little gem or not, but here it goes. Some group researching aquaponics dedicated about 1,600sf in a person's backyard, and found a good balance between the fish and veggies. After using what they and their family could eat, they sold the rest and pulled in something like $5k from the veggies and $15k from the fish, over a year at local farmers' markets. Myself and another friend are prepping this out if you need help with a sales pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 well if it is worst case I may have to quit eating Salmon, that will piss me off but not as much as this third eye I am growing..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTrooper Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 I have always wanted an aquaponics setup! An offer we put in on a house was just accepted, so maybe I will be able to build one in a year or two. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 25 minutes ago, ARTrooper said: I have always wanted an aquaponics setup! An offer we put in on a house was just accepted, so maybe I will be able to build one in a year or two. :) Congrats trooper, I know where you can buy a cheap truck to load stuff into :) kids will fit in the back too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 53 minutes ago, planeflyer21 said: Check out http://www.backyardaquaponics.com Not sure if they were the source of this little gem or not, but here it goes. Some group researching aquaponics dedicated about 1,600sf in a person's backyard, and found a good balance between the fish and veggies. After using what they and their family could eat, they sold the rest and pulled in something like $5k from the veggies and $15k from the fish, over a year at local farmers' markets. Myself and another friend are prepping this out if you need help with a sales pitch. I have some knowledge in this area. Aquaponics can work. The bugs as far as making it profitable are still being worked out, but it is the future. Check out this link -the Director is a friend of mine. https://www.uwsp.edu/cols-ap/nadf/Pages/UWSP Northern Aquaculture Demonstration Facility Home Page.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 40 minutes ago, ARTrooper said: I have always wanted an aquaponics setup! An offer we put in on a house was just accepted, so maybe I will be able to build one in a year or two. :) Trooper some Wisconsin resources. http://seagrant.wisc.edu/home/Topics/Aquaculture.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 (edited) Another one https://www.uwsp.edu/cols-ap/aquaponics/Pages/default.aspx Right now the best aquaponic producers are small scale ones that are looking for food self sufficiency and having some extra to market. Up here, we have plenty of water but a short growing season, so recessed in ground green houses are the way to go. In Arizona, water would be the biggest bottleneck,, but your fish growth rates would be phenomenal, as well as a long growing season. Temperatures down there would probably dictate using Tilapia or perhaps catfish, which from clean water are very tasty. In Wisconsin probably Rainbow Trout or Saugeye, a fast growing hybrid of Walleye and Sauger. Taste wise it tastes just like walleye and fetches $15 a pound. Also Arctic Char, which fetches $18 a pound. They are still struggling with adapting yellow perch for aquaculture. An Atlantic Salmon commercial facility just opened down by Eau Claire, Wisconsin. That is pure aquaculture however. Some Atlantic Salmon in a demonstration facility in the pictures below. Edited February 28, 2017 by Sisco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted February 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Yes, tilapia are very common here but so are sunfish/blue gills and some type of trout. Water isn't much of an issue for a closed system. My buddy had a large koi pond on his front porch (there are thousands just in Tucson) that was very self suficient. They make a nifty neutralizer that zeros out the chemicals in tap water. The same buddy's Dad, once he was widowed, turned their lap pool into a small pond for trout and blue gill. Pretty cool, until he lost interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Sunnys and Blue Gills would be good. I suggest find a restaurant or two that would be interested in buying fresh fish and find out what is most marketable. Good luck I really want to hear more about this. If I lived in a warmer climate I would probably do something like this. I have a friend who has three ponds on ten acres with an artesian well feed that I am trying to talk into setting up an open aquaculture project raising rainbow trout. We could do around 20,000 pounds a year at $8-$10 a pound. In your case, Aquaponics reuse a lot of the water, so it is what you lose by evaporation has to be replaced is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted February 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Evaporation really isn't that bad. There is some sort of formula for surface area over total volume. Of course, with it being circulated all the time, that does increase the rate of evaporation. A few ponds of rainbow trout would be sweet! We could hold one of our gatherings there. Just sayin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Any study about shell fish infected by radiation? I like salmon sometimes, but addicted to dungies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted February 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 1 hour ago, sketch said: Any study about shell fish infected by radiation? I like salmon sometimes, but addicted to dungies! If you want that information, you are going to have to work hard to find it. It certainly isn't being publicized nor volunteered anywhere. I would think that if the non-garbage/waste eating sea animals are contaminated, the garbage feeders would be overloaded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 http://www.doh.wa.gov/CommunityandEnvironment/Radiation/FukushimaUpdate/FishandShellfishTesting/Results Disturbing no data since 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNP Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Been researching aquaponics as well. Still haven't heard back on our official offer for the property we're after. Had a verbal agreement on price, but we added a couple strings in the offer letter to cover our rears...might be screwing up the deal. There's enough room on this place for a manmade lake, or at least a large pond. Neighbor had a well producing 250 gallons a minute (that's gotta be one hell of a pump, or a few of them). If that's the case and we have that kind of water...I'll throw a solar pump on it and any excess during the day can flow to the pond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Can you believe there is a moratorium on new wells or buildings in my county! It snows and rains at the same damn time here! Libs are trying to force out dairy farms. Maybe they dont know about the fish! ? They should focus there energy twards japan before attacking local conservation contributors to streams and salmon runs! (Farmers) Dont get me started on coal trains. Or i5! Sisco typical of any reserch in Wa. To little to late! But i bet the info is out there.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted March 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 5 hours ago, sketch said: Can you believe there is a moratorium on new wells or buildings in my county! It snows and rains at the same damn time here! Libs are trying to force out dairy farms. Maybe they dont know about the fish! ? They should focus there energy twards japan before attacking local conservation contributors to streams and salmon runs! (Farmers) Dont get me started on coal trains. Or i5! Sisco typical of any reserch in Wa. To little to late! But i bet the info is out there.. Well, Wisconsin is the first place I've heard about conducting SWAT raids on places marketing whole raw milk. Me thinks someone in Big Dairy is lobbying to squash competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, planeflyer21 said: Well, Wisconsin is the first place I've heard about conducting SWAT raids on places marketing whole raw milk. Me thinks someone in Big Dairy is lobbying to squash competition. Like refer madness, the masses have been convinced raw milk it certain death. I'm not that old I remember going to a dairy farm in Pre K and drinking milk from the hold tank, that had to been mid 80's?!? If people wanna go drink it straight from the tap go for it! 7 hours ago, sketch said: Can you believe there is a moratorium on new wells or buildings in my county! It snows and rains at the same damn time here! Libs are trying to force out dairy farms. Maybe they dont know about the fish! ? They should focus there energy twards japan before attacking local conservation contributors to streams and salmon runs! (Farmers) Dont get me started on coal trains. Or i5! Sisco typical of any reserch in Wa. To little to late! But i bet the info is out there.. Yea you guys are damn near a straight shot, think a few cows are the least of their worries!!! Edited March 1, 2017 by shepp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTrooper Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 23 hours ago, Sisco said: Right now the best aquaponic producers are small scale ones that are looking for food self sufficiency and having some extra to market. Up here, we have plenty of water but a short growing season, so recessed in ground green houses are the way to go. In Arizona, water would be the biggest bottleneck,, but your fish growth rates would be phenomenal, as well as a long growing season. Temperatures down there would probably dictate using Tilapia or perhaps catfish, which from clean water are very tasty. In Wisconsin probably Rainbow Trout or Saugeye, a fast growing hybrid of Walleye and Sauger. Taste wise it tastes just like walleye and fetches $15 a pound. Also Arctic Char, which fetches $18 a pound. They are still struggling with adapting yellow perch for aquaculture. An Atlantic Salmon commercial facility just opened down by Eau Claire, Wisconsin. That is pure aquaculture however. Some Atlantic Salmon in a demonstration facility in the pictures below. originally I thought I would like using catfish because it is my favorite fish to eat and they a pretty hardy fish that is not difficult to keep alive. but my wife doesn't like catfish. she is pretty picky when it comes to eating fish. trout might be more to her liking. and there are several trout farms around my area so it wouldn't be hard to get the fish I need to start out. Sisco, maybe when I have the money I will have you come over and help me build a system. haha. And thanks for the support on the house guys. still a lot that can fall through, especially because the VA has to sign off on the loan and so the house needs to meet their requirements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTrooper Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 2 hours ago, shepp said: If people wanna go drink it straight from the tap go for it! well my wife is breast feeding... but I wouldn't dare call her a cow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 12 minutes ago, ARTrooper said: well my wife is breast feeding... but I wouldn't dare call her a cow Think you took me outta context buddy lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armed Eye Doc Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 3 hours ago, shepp said: Like refer madness, the masses have been convinced raw milk it certain death. I'm not that old I remember going to a dairy farm in Pre K and drinking milk from the hold tank, that had to been mid 80's?!? If people wanna go drink it straight from the tap go for it! My grandfather had a dairy farm for 40 years. I would spend a month or more during the summer when I was a kid to help haul hay (and a lot of playing in the country). This would have been late 70's and early 80's. When we needed milk for cereal, we just got it out of the tank. I drank that for years until me and lactose had a disagreement. When my older brothers went out there, he would also kill and butcher his own beef. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 41 minutes ago, Armed Eye Doc said: My grandfather had a dairy farm for 40 years. I would spend a month or more during the summer when I was a kid to help haul hay (and a lot of playing in the country). This would have been late 70's and early 80's. When we needed milk for cereal, we just got it out of the tank. I drank that for years until me and lactose had a disagreement. When my older brothers went out there, he would also kill and butcher his own beef. I havnt heard much about it latly but I also don't listen to local talk radio anymore but a year or two ago people were doing "under ground raw milk" out side Madison and like flyer stated it was treated like a schedule one drug. Funny thing is most the want more government libs were getting the brunt of it...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 28 minutes ago, Armed Eye Doc said: My grandfather had a dairy farm for 40 years. I would spend a month or more during the summer when I was a kid to help haul hay (and a lot of playing in the country). This would have been late 70's and early 80's. When we needed milk for cereal, we just got it out of the tank. I drank that for years until me and lactose had a disagreement. When my older brothers went out there, he would also kill and butcher his own beef. Doc, that is what dairy farms should be still. Sketch, the problem is not dairy farms. The problem is CAFOs (Concentrated Agricultural Feeding Operations) That is where they jam 5000-7000 cows into a single farm where they never see the light of day. The amount of manure pumping out of them is astronomical. One CAFO for 25,000 pigs they want to put near me is going to produce 10 million gallons of pig manure a year. Now manure can be spread on fields as fertilizer, but the standard figure is one cow produces enough manure to fertilize 2.5 acres. Which means each Dairy CAFO needs 15,000 to 20,000 acres to spread it on. In the Fox river basin of Wisconsin alone there are 25 Dairy CAFOs supporting 140,000 cows. There is not 250,000-400,000 available farm acres to spread it. So the extra gets runoff and is befouling the Fox River Watershed. Same thing is causing the Lake Erie Toxic algae bloom. The Sandusky river in Ohio has 50+ CAFO's in it's watershed. What happens is that the excess manure eventually contaminates the groundwater as well and befouls all the wells in the area. Which cuts into available drinkable water, which causes shortages, hence the permits. I am not against CAFO's per se, but if you have read my posts you know how committed I am to the Great Lakes and unfortunately all this stuff ends up in them in the Midwest. There are a lot of smart people trying to figure out solutions. But in the next ten years I think we will be seeing a real shortage of clean water in a lot of the country. This is not a liberal/conservative issue. It is an issue of whether we can afford to be spoil our water and all the health issues it brings with it. A move back to smaller family farms would solve a some of the issue, but I kinda doubt that will ever happen. I sit on two different Advisory Committees that are dealing with this issue and it is a tough one. Wisconsin wants to encourage agriculture, but we need good water as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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