98Z5V Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Sent to me from @MikedaddyH - this is a great viewpoint. Watch this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRracer912 Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Well, the government can change its mind on a whim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRracer912 Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Edit to add that I believe the ATF also just changed the way they will receive it's for determination. As they will now require any item to be installed on a firearm and the firearm sent in for evaluation. So in the bumpstock instance, they'd now require it to be sent in, attached to rifle for evaluation. Then you run in to what happens if they determine it's a machine gun, and the sender wasn't class all, is the entire gun confiscated, sender now in legal trouble? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Need a National Firearms license that includes Class III. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 6 hours ago, Sisco said: Need a National Firearms license that includes Class III. Nope, just need to repeal the NFA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted December 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 9 hours ago, Sisco said: Need a National Firearms license that includes Class III. Didn't I get massacred for agreeing to this, not long ago? I still stand by that - it would WORK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 7 hours ago, 98Z5V said: it would WORK. at least as well as the NFA........... Government cannot be trusted to get anything right or actually do what they agreed to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 I have one word , "Auto Sear trip" , this was a device or part that permitted the AR to fire select fire , was a drop in device (part/accessory ) Even though the guy in the Video is correct , doesn't seem to matter to the BATF & it seems no one , that I know of , has ever taken this or the NFA's to court & if I'm wrong , please update me . https://www.ammoland.com/2013/07/atf-confiscating-drop-in-auto-sears/#axzz5ZTTtfIDM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 Video lost me at "WHY THE ATF CANT...." We the people have allowed letter agencies to create law out of thin air. they can do whatever they want. Same reason id never support a national firearms license. I will no doubt be a felon in the next 10 years for the items I currently legally own today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 9 hours ago, 98Z5V said: Didn't I get massacred for agreeing to this, not long ago? I still stand by that - it would WORK. Not by me. I think it could solve one of the most divisive issues in our country. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willbird Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 21 hours ago, Sisco said: Need a National Firearms license that includes Class III. Well they sort of DO have one. It is called the 07 FFL and the 02 SOT. You get the 07, then pay the annual SOT tax, and you can make and retain all the Title II you want except DD (Destructive and Dangerous Devices). You do have to pay ITAR registration annually. There were a few changes made in a good way about ITAR recently. You can also BUY Title II MG if you have a demo request letter from somebody who could buy them from you. Folks WERE getting letters for stuff like 1919 but I hear BATFE reined that in a little. You can also buy Title II MG from dealers giving up license without needed the demo letter. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 Actually incorporating an FFL into it would not be such a bad idea, except for the hit the LGS’s would take. Still allow non semiautomatic rifles and shotguns to be purchased by any one. And require a preapproved federal firearm license card for everything else. The liberals might shut up then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Sisco said: The liberals might shut up then. That is some fantasy schit right there! They want our guns, all our guns. When they get one bite they immediately begin looking for the next. Not one inch more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 Maybe, maybe not. If gun violence declined, they would be hard pressed to keep up the diatribe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 49 minutes ago, Sisco said: Maybe, maybe not. If gun violence declined, they would be hard pressed to keep up the diatribe. It would not deter them . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 Ya know , maybe we are looking at this the wrong way , they want to take our firearms away & denying our Second Amendment Rights by doing so & since the Second Amendment is for the People to keep & bare Arms to protect us from adversaries both foreign & domestic , they by doing so, are committing a Treasonous act or one that is denying our constitutional rights , especially an elected official who takes an oath tho protect the Constitution . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Sisco said: Maybe, maybe not. If gun violence declined, they would be hard pressed to keep up the diatribe. Gun violence? When one of my weapons becomes violent I will get rid of it. Gun violence is a catch phrase for the anti 2A crowd, you know better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, jtallen83 said: Gun violence? When one of my weapons becomes violent I will get rid of it. Gun violence is a catch phrase for the anti 2A crowd, you know better. ? Just not in the mood to argue about it. Have had a bad day. Edited December 13, 2018 by Sisco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 One might point out that some of the worst gun violence in this country is in places with the most strict gun control....yet those stats are still used to try and disarm people in low crime, low risk areas. Gun control has zero to do with safety...its just packaged and sold to the sheep that way by a fantastic PR team. gun control is about population control and removing the citizens ability to resist the kind of true tyranny that only people in the 3rd world understand but every official lusts after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 hour ago, blue109 said: One might point out that some of the worst gun violence in this country is in places with the most strict gun control....yet those stats are still used to try and disarm people in low crime, low risk areas. Gun control has zero to do with safety...its just packaged and sold to the sheep that way by a fantastic PR team. gun control is about population control and removing the citizens ability to resist the kind of true tyranny that only people in the 3rd world understand but every official lusts after. thats an eye opener! we dont get along in the third eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTrooper Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 My only input is I believe our gun rights should not be infringed at all. If people want to own a freaking howitzer, mk19, m2, or any other weapon, they should be able to as long as that weapon isn't used in a way that can harm others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 The level of gun control im ok with.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 ^^^yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunuckgaucho Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 liberal tears would flow and snowflakes would melt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtallen83 Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 8 hours ago, blue109 said: gun control is about population control and removing the citizens ability to resist the kind of true tyranny that only people in the 3rd world understand but every official lusts after. That is the root of the matter! Tyranny is the reason the founders put the 2A in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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