Kindly escorted out of school today.....

[Pappy1600]

  I worked a day patrol today and I was asked by my Chief to stop in and make a round in our local school this morning, I was buzzed in by office staff and advised them that I would be making a round of the interior of the school, while making a round on the second floor area I was approached by the school Superintendent and asked if I had checked in with the front office? after that he made a comment that he did not want the Police presence or as he said a "Show of Force" in the school and asked if we can go downstairs to the office, so I agree with his request and we walk downstairs and instead of going to the office he opens the door and kindly shows me out..

  He states that he does not want to upset anyone in the school, we chat for a few minutes about policy and I offer some suggestions and we part ways. My Chief calls up and asks if I made a round at the school and I explain what transpired... Needless to say Chief not happy and goes and sees the Supt. after the meeting the Chief explains that he stated my appearance was too Scarey because I wear an outter carrier balistic vest with "POLICE" on the panels and it was too intimidating...  So the joke of the day was I am too scarey for school.

Is he right or wrong about Police presence?

  I am not one to be offended easily so it did not matter to me either way, I can see his side about worring people but I can also see that people feel a sense of security from a Police presence.

[SPBCTS]

Coming from another (retired) cop.

Your presence is a benefit to the school, and frankly, the superintendent is doing a disservice to his students and staff by being so myopic. They style of your uniform is irrelevant.

What he is really upset about is that he doesn't want to have to explain to the children why you are there, although I am quite certain the kids already know.

If I had kids in that school and found out how that admin was running things and ran you out, I'd be at the next board meeting stirring the manure pile and looking for his head. What a buffoon.

I'd wager coffee money that the supe won't put in writing his desire to regulate your uniform or presence on campus. That is why the chief went over there...put something that absurd on paper would have parents blowing gaskets everywhere in the district if they read it. And if he is stupid enough to put it in written policy, I'd spend my own cash sending copies out...

"Did you check in with the front office?"...what a power trip this guy is on.

[edgecrusher]

If I had kids in that school and found out how that admin was running things and ran you out, I'd be at the next board meeting stirring the manure pile and looking for his head. What a buffoon.

Fuckkin a right! What crock of shit!  If it was me (we had our Christmas pageant today at my daughters school, better believe I had my carry, just like everyday, most likely the only one) I would be happy that our local law enforcement was taking part in the safety in our schools.

Pappy, thank you.

[Madhouse]

I think the school was off-base and should welcome the police in the school.  Maybe it would be good to have a short presentation to the student body, so that it would be expected to see police in the school on occasion?

[shepp]

Agree bad choice on his behalf, and if I was a parent of a child in that school I'd be blowing his phone up.

As I stated before in the school shooting thread we had an officer on grounds in hs 90% the time he was actually a pretty cool guy and often he wore an external vest just like you explained most often it was at large sporting events but I or no one else thought anything about it?! I'm also from a small town where I'd say 60% of the students hunted and had a knowing/respect for guns.

[Pappy1600]

I think the school was off-base and should welcome the police in the school.  Maybe it would be good to have a short presentation to the student body, so that it would be expected to see police in the school on occasion?

I did make this suggestion, I also requested him and his staff to attend the next active shooter training we will be performing in the school in the next couple of months, so he can see and understand what the Police role to an active shooter incident entails.

[Madhouse]

As with anything, education is key.  Good luck with the training and I hope participation is through the roof.

[Pappy1600]

I forgot to mention that the original request stemmed from a request from one of our town councilmen, his wife works in the school... I'm sure he will get wind of this as his wife.

[shepp]

I did make this suggestion, I also requested him and his staff to attend the next active shooter training we will be performing in the school in the next couple of months, so he can see and understand what the Police role to an active shooter incident entails.

<thumbsup>

[Dusty44]

My grandson attends an Independent School District which partly overlaps into the City of Dallas,  TX.  The middle school building he attended is located within Dallas and has a Dallas Police Officer on duty at the school all day.  The Officer stays outside when the children are arriving in the mornings and then has an office where he can observe the office,  entrance,  main halls.  This is a duty assignment,  full equipment.  So far as I know,  this is done at many or a majority of the Dallas schools.  There is no violence among the kids and the drop-off and pick-up lines of cars keep their cool.  Everybody wins.

[unforgiven]

That will be the same guy God forbid some thing happens,saying "Why were you here to do something it's you're fault". >:(

[98Z5V]

That will be the same guy God forbid some thing happens,saying "Why were you here to do something it's you're fault". >:(

Exactly!  Blind Ignorance was displayed by that idiot.  Unreal. 

poop like that is the reason we have this problem... 

All the schools my kid has been in since 2007  - have a cop assigned to the school.  In VA, the guy had a desk directly at the front door.  "School Resource Officer" is the name of it.  So, Phoenix, VA, and back in Sierra Vista, AZ.  Cops in the school, and that's their job.  <thumbsup>

[MaDuce]

If I were a 5 or 6 year old, I'd be very welcoming of police officers armed to the teeth in my school halls right now. I bet some of those kids whispered words they're not suppose to know yet when they watched you leave.

[planeflyer21]

Wrench...works.

While the way this particular incident went down I don't like, I disagree with police in schools.  Our willingness as a national community to shuck personal responsibilities (in this case, protection of our children) and have "someone do something about it" is nearly at its zenith.

You know why media, politicians, and the "left" in general are against training and arming parental volunteers in schools?  Because it will generate community bonds.  It will show them that we don't need a government babysitter.  Because it will remove the conditioning of having a uniformed agent of government in your life providing for you from your earliest communal interactions.

Know what a cop is?  It is an acronym:  C.O.P.=Citizen On Patrol

With great freedoms come great responsibilities.  Sometimes those responsibilities aren't fun.

Want another reality?  We're broke.  Place police in every school everywhere?  With what are you generating their salaries?  Borrowing more money from China?

Parents, when pushed, WILL do what they have to for their children at no cost.  Like in Israel.  Try entering the school to do malevolent mischief.

Everyone's responsibility.

Jon

[Matt.Cross]

Wrench...works.

While the way this particular incident went down I don't like, I disagree with police in schools.  Our willingness as a national community to shuck personal responsibilities (in this case, protection of our children) and have "someone do something about it" is nearly at its zenith.

You know why media, politicians, and the "left" in general are against training and arming parental volunteers in schools?  Because it will generate community bonds.  It will show them that we don't need a government babysitter.  Because it will remove the conditioning of having a uniformed agent of government in your life providing for you from your earliest communal interactions.

Know what a cop is?  It is an acronym:  C.O.P.=Citizen On Patrol

With great freedoms come great responsibilities.  Sometimes those responsibilities aren't fun.

Want another reality?  We're broke.  Place police in every school everywhere?  With what are you generating their salaries?  Borrowing more money from China?

Parents, when pushed, WILL do what they have to for their children at no cost.  Like in Israel.  Try entering the school to do malevolent mischief.

Everyone's responsibility.

Jon

I don't necessarily disagree with police in our schools, but otherwise I echo your sentiments 100%. Having a LEO presence in schools where the majority of adults wouldn't adopt personal firearm use, or are unable to be physically proficient with a weapon, could be the answer to a potential problem. Again, I agree with the rest of your post. The entitlement mentality has been encouraged too long, it's high time people learned to be a self-sufficient society again.

[Pappy1600]

I don't necessarily disagree with police in our schools, but otherwise I echo your sentiments 100%. Having a LEO presence in schools where the majority of adults wouldn't adopt personal firearm use, or are unable to be physically proficient with a weapon, could be the answer to a potential problem. Again, I agree with the rest of your post. The entitlement mentality has been encouraged too long, it's high time people learned to be a self-sufficient society again.

  Why be self sufficient when someone else can do it for you? until this stops nothing will change..

[Matt.Cross]

  Why be self sufficient when someone else can do it for you? until this stops nothing will change..

I agree with you 100%, but you and I aren't politicians, we're realists. You can bet your last dollar that a politician is never going to tell an entitled minority that they're about to have to grow some callouses on that hand getting the handout.

[Pappy1600]

I agree with you 100%, but you and I aren't politicians, we're realists. You can bet your last dollar that a politician is never going to tell an entitled minority that they're about to have to grow some callouses on that hand getting the handout.

Amen to that, sooner or later it all has to come to ahead...you can only go for so long until it all dries up..

[planeflyer21]

Thanks guys.

Looking on it I was ranting a bit.

I've trained proficient persons that most would look at and say "They aren't a threat of any sort."

Once they hit your off-switch it is too late to re-evaluate your underestimation of their skills.

I feel in a few short months we are going to see mass despondency, as the handouts quickly dry up.

We will then see who has the will to make due and who fails to succeed.

Jon

[MikedaddyH]

I don't necessarily disagree with police in our schools, but otherwise I echo your sentiments 100%. Having a LEO presence in schools where the majority of adults wouldn't adopt personal firearm use, or are unable to be physically proficient with a weapon, could be the answer to a potential problem. Again, I agree with the rest of your post. The entitlement mentality has been encouraged too long, it's high time people learned to be a self-sufficient society again.

This I agree with 100 percent. my Nephew and his Wife teach are so far to the left they are jumping off the edge blind folded.

My Stepdad was the Supervisor of Public schools in Cleveland ,OH and he was a firm beleiver that if the problem could not be solved internally GET THE POLICE INTO THE SCHOOLS ! He had to deal with busing ,riots, war protestors and that A__hole Woody Hayes.

[unforgiven]

With that blue type I can't see poop. <dontknow>

[MikedaddyH]

With that blue type I can't see poop. <dontknow>

Knew that would get your attention Rene !

[unforgiven]

<lmao> <laughs>

[Guill732]

had to highlight it to read it. that was painful otherwise

[98Z5V]

...and that A__hole Woody Hayes.

Damn! What do you have against Woody Hayes, man?  <dontknow>