98Z5V Posted January 15, 2013 Report Posted January 15, 2013 Is this normal for any other carriers for the bolt to go so far back into the carrier? Even if they don't get hung up?I honestly don't know - I've only pushed mine in far enough to put in the cam pin, and stopped there.
blue109 Posted January 15, 2013 Report Posted January 15, 2013 Only thing I can think of is the rings are stuck on the ledge created by the gas port. If thats the case brute force is probably the only way out.Maybe drill down the hole...you will ruin the rings but they arent too expensive
edgecrusher Posted January 15, 2013 Report Posted January 15, 2013 I'm wondering if your carrier is a home made job ?
blue109 Posted January 15, 2013 Report Posted January 15, 2013 That carrier looks nothing like mine...and the fwd assist serration s look a little crude..but it might just be the pics.
Powerman Posted January 16, 2013 Author Report Posted January 16, 2013 Blue... So I looked at the port. I tried to see if that was the case. Could not really tell. I got the gaps in the rings lined up to the port and tried to get it again. I can "squeze" the bottom ring together, but it never went. Tried beating on it again. Next up... it's in a the cold ass garage. I'm going to go put some heat on the carrier and see if I can swell it a bit.After that I could try to drill out the rings. My only thought with that was getting a bunch of shavings in there and pieces or rigs could make it worse... no way to make them all squeeze in.I suppose I could take it to a gun smith and see what they could do.
Powerman Posted January 16, 2013 Author Report Posted January 16, 2013 I'm wondering if your carrier is a home made job ?It's possible... that was my concern. But it does not look crudely machined. I mean, it looks like a quality part. The ports are odd though, but I have never seen any other carrier so what do I know. My Fulton carrier will be here tomorrow so I can compare.I was hoping someone would know what it looks like.
texas30cal Posted January 16, 2013 Report Posted January 16, 2013 I will check my carrier and bolt when Obongo and uncle Joe are done fucking me!
texas30cal Posted January 16, 2013 Report Posted January 16, 2013 Well I took mine apart and it goes back just as far as yours but doesn't get stuck. There is a relief cut at the back of the gas ring bore and it tapers out to the larger dia. but yours could have a sharp edge there. I would'nt try to drill you probably will get little pieces of drill bit in there rather than pieces of the rings. Do you know anyone that works at a machine shop? If they have a tap burner (small e.d.m.) they could burn out a section of the rings opposite the gaps and not even touch anything else. I thought about using a grease gun to push it out (5000psi) but there are too many holes to plug. Other than that I am out of ideas, last resort would be brute force, put the head of the bolt in a bearing seperator and use a punch and BFH through the seperator to drive the carrier off the bolt, if it boogers up the front outer edge of the carrier that can be dealt with.
Powerman Posted January 16, 2013 Author Report Posted January 16, 2013 Thanks. My Fulton carrier got here to day and I see how that is. I do not know what is hanging up, but I'm done. I tried putting some heat on it still nothing. I called a gunsmith in town and he has dealt with it before. Meaning it happens but it just depends what it is hung up on. I'm taking it to him... and yes, last resort.. cutting the carrier off is an option. I have to have the bolt, I have another carrier. Maybe he can tell me what it is too.
texas30cal Posted January 16, 2013 Report Posted January 16, 2013 If he can't get it out I can probably get it done in a edm, will check, probably at no cost rather than cut up the carrier.
Powerman Posted January 16, 2013 Author Report Posted January 16, 2013 That's pretty cool. I had to look it up. He seems confident. I'm since I took it to him he is going to stake my key on my Fulton carrier too. So that works. I do not know what kind of carrier it is, but it is a lot different than the Fulton. Size and everything.
Powerman Posted January 17, 2013 Author Report Posted January 17, 2013 Gun smith called back... it's apart. No damage... he just had to take the seals out little by little. Not sure how he did that. I will pick it up tomorrow and then post some pics side by side with my Fulton... because I do not see how it is possible for the other carrier to work.
98Z5V Posted January 17, 2013 Report Posted January 17, 2013 he just had to take the seals out little by little. Definitely lost me there - there aren't any seals in a bolt or carrier.Unless he's calling the gas rings "seals" ? <dontknow>
Robocop1051 Posted January 17, 2013 Report Posted January 17, 2013 he just had to take the seals out little by little.Did it look like this?I hear you have to take them out little by little so you don't cause more injury. <lmao>(We only tease you if we like you! When we don't like you, we treat you like we treat Edgecrusher :o )
texas30cal Posted January 17, 2013 Report Posted January 17, 2013 I guess he got hold of the end of a ring and pulled it out? I didn't think they would come out like that.
Powerman Posted January 17, 2013 Author Report Posted January 17, 2013 I'll find out tomorrow. He kept calling them seals. I kept asking him if he took care of my gas key/carrier key.. but he kept calling it a gas tube. He seemed like a good guy though.
Rsquared Posted January 17, 2013 Report Posted January 17, 2013 We all know how you take seals out.................you sneak up behind them (all tactical and ninja style) and club em like anybody else would. <laughs>
Powerman Posted January 17, 2013 Author Report Posted January 17, 2013 <laughs>So what the heck do I have here? This si side by side with my Fulton chrome carrier.[img width=810 height=607]http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f217/free2801/IMG_8216_zpsf50fe70f.jpg[img width=810 height=607]http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f217/free2801/IMG_8217_zpsa8ef68a7.jpgHere is my DPMS firing pin. You can see the relation to where it goes in the carrier. But it is very far recessed into the carrier from where the hammer would hit the pin... a good inch. Even I thought that was odd when the pin was in because it was so far into the carrier.[img width=810 height=607]http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f217/free2801/IMG_8213_zpsc7ca704b.jpgWhat the heck do I have. The bore is a 308. But the gun smith had no idea what it went in.
Powerman Posted January 17, 2013 Author Report Posted January 17, 2013 Oh ya... he used a tiny chisel... chipped them out piece by piece through the gas port. No damage to anything.
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