Microgunner Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 (edited) AR-15 in 5.56. The lightest complete rifle available other than carbon receivers. This will be a Christmas gift for my brother and I deperately need mentoring. Please, help for a poor ignorant enthusiast. Edited November 22, 2013 by Microgunner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 riflegear.com is having a big sale....check out all the ar15"s get a16" standard profile also jse surplus is having a sale......get a free float upper car stock and that type barrel :) Wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 (edited) Best bang for the $$$ Daniel Defense M4 v7 lightweight (DDM4V7LW)https://danieldefense.com/daniel-defense-m4-carbine-v7-lw-no-sights-lightweight-barrel.html If you can find one... This is likely the lightest, all metal AR you can find for an affordable price. Hard to be the quality of a DD rifle. Edited November 23, 2013 by Robocop1051 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgecrusher Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 ^^^ right there micro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 There are a few on ArmsList for around $1200. The next rifle in comparison would be a LaRue... and that will be an extra $1500!!! BCM makes a lightweight upper, but I don't know much about it... and I doubt it'll be much less $$ than the DD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 2 DD7s from the vet Can't go wrong there!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 He got his discount and each was less than 1300$ 1 year ago :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 Built my kid a lightweight full-metal AR for his 15th birthday. Only time I bought a complete upper assembly. Went with the BCM lightweight carbine-gas 14.5" with the pinned A2X flash suppressor. Used a Surplus Ammo & Arms stripped lower with MOE stuff and a mil-spec buttstock setup. Used a brand new KAC RAS rail on it with KAC foregrip. Wanted something he could handle easily, but also never, ever worry about. It's not sub-5lbs or anything, but it's definitely not heavy, although it is heavy duty. <thumbsup> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 Picked up a used AR15/M4 a couple weeks back for $600....found it on backpage.com. CMMG upper + anderson lower, 16" SS barrel, non float alumium quad rail, picatinny gas block....nothing special but compared to the 308 it's like a puny rifle and weighs next to nothing. ...I'm not completely sold on the carbon FRP uppers/lowers like the Bushmaster C-15 or the cheap Windhams quite yet - and I suppose it says a lot since I do a good amount of aerospace carbon fiber work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 My bro in law has the dd lightweight also. It's a feather compared to all my pigs. Really nice rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microgunner Posted November 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 Best bang for the $$$ Daniel Defense M4 v7 lightweight (DDM4V7LW)https://danieldefense.com/daniel-defense-m4-carbine-v7-lw-no-sights-lightweight-barrel.html If you can find one... This is likely the lightest, all metal AR you can find for an affordable price. Hard to be the quality of a DD rifle. One of our distributors has this rifle in stock. I can get it for 1147.00. Is this a good price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgecrusher Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 Is there a buy it now button? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microgunner Posted November 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 Actually,three of the wholesalers we use have them in stock. All at the same price. No shortage of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 So jealous. If I hadn't of started a build recently I'd be hitting you up to get in on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 <<<<< Even more jealous, since we can't transfer them in my F-ed up state anymore. Luckily, I already have a couple of DD M4's (different of course). That's a good price though for a Daniels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nereus Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/135/products_id/84294 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 What's the shortest barrel recommended for ballistics in .223 my buddy says 10.5" but all I can find is 7.5"? Planning a pistol build :) can't get much liter than that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microgunner Posted November 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 What's the shortest barrel recommended for ballistics in .223 my buddy says 10.5" but all I can find is 7.5"? Planning a pistol build :) can't get much liter than that! Or louder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 I have a 16" pencil (.625) barrel that I want go cut to 10.3" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Go with 7.5" sketch. After all, I'm gonna build one of them too...........just because. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nereus Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2013/03/04/1186115_02_worlds_lightest_ar_pistol_223__640.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Go with 7.5" sketch. After all, I'm gonna build one of them too...........just because.Just because was my answer but his ballistic argument is worth ?? He says I cant hit shyt at 50 yds with a 7.5" barrel why not I say I do it with 2 inch barrel when I'm not siting down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsquared Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 If you can or not isn't the question with a SBR of that size. After all, those things are made for kicking in the door......not shooting at it from across the field. Now, harassing fire maybe....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 (edited) Just because was my answer but his ballistic argument is worth ?? He says I cant hit shyt at 50 yds with a 7.5" barrel why not I say I do it with 2 inch barrel when I'm not siting down! Tell him I call bull$hit. I can hit out to 300 with the 7.5". Not saying it's deadly at that range, but I can hit steel, with boring regularity. Next time I'm out, I'll take it with me. I'll keep the targets. I'll give you groups from 25, 50, and 100. The problem is FPS. You need to keep the projo speed up for the round to perform like it's designed - fragment. Once it drops under a certain FPS, it won't fragment. I'll find the precise data sometime, because I've got that info saved and stored. Basically, on a 7.5", you're only "effective" out to about 75 yards. Beyond that, no fragmentation. There's also a pretty big drop in speed between 11.5" and 10.5". 20" down to 16" down to 14.5" down to 11.5" - not alot of drop in speed, but almost consistent, inch by inch. It falls pretty far when you get down to 10.5". The step down between those two lengths isn't as consistent as the other inch-by-inch tests. Edited November 24, 2013 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Great article, right here: http://sadefensejournal.com/wp/?p=1093 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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