27 dead in Texas shooting at xhurch.

[Armed Eye Doc]

https://www.ksat.com/news/shooting-sutherland-springs-church-gunfire-mass-shooting-airlife

Another 30 are injured.  Not too many detailsabout the shooter.

[98Z5V]

Just saw that news - this is sad.  I can't, in any way, come up with any real solutions that would put an end to this stuff...  Something has to be done.

[Inthebushes]

Get your concealed carry permit if you don’t have one, and carry CONCEALED 100 % of the time.  Be prepared, it gets worse every day.  I live on a farm, and never leave the house without my weapon.  Many days I don’t even see anybody, doesn’t matter.

[Sisco]

20 minutes ago, 98Z5V said:

Just saw that news - this is sad.  I can't, in any way, come up with any real solutions that would put an end to this stuff...  Something has to be done.

No one can. I don't think there are any, any more.

[Kenneth]

1 hour ago, 98Z5V said:

Just saw that news - this is sad.  I can't, in any way, come up with any real solutions that would put an end to this stuff...  Something has to be done.

Short of a police state, there are no real solutions. I rather have the random shootings to a police state; lesser of two evils....I can avoid most mass shootings by not being in a mass of peeps. Police state is everywhere, all the time.

[Armed Eye Doc]

The murderer was supposedly stopped by a good guy with a gun.

https://news.grabien.com/story-texas-dept-public-safety-armed-citizen-engaged-killer-ending

[98Z5V]

3 minutes ago, Armed Eye Doc said:

The murderer was supposedly stopped by a good guy with a gun.

https://news.grabien.com/story-texas-dept-public-safety-armed-citizen-engaged-killer-ending

That's the solution.     We just don't have enough good guys with guns in this nation - because of the PC bs.  We need to safely manufacture more armed good guys, and make sure they're installed on every corner, everywhere, always.  Seriously.

[edgecrusher]

I heard a rumor there is a secret desert training facility. All jokes aside this is tragic. I never go anywhere unarmed with one exception and that is when I play hockey. Even at home. Unfortunately you cannot predict these events but you can prepare. Train and carry. Prepare for the time you need it. 

[Armed Eye Doc]

I carry so often now I don't feel it.  There are many churches that ban ccw.  There are others that encourage it and have members that are designated to carry.

[StainTrain]

News is reporting he was a prohibited person.  Apparently, he was dishonorably discharged from USAF.  It is the news so who knows.   

[bubbas4570]

A part of the solution is for the media to stop reporting this crap in ways that either glorify, or makes the wackos thinks they will get glorified reporting by doing, such acts.

 

And yes, carry as much as you can. Train. Pay attention. Period.

[edgecrusher]

1 hour ago, Armed Eye Doc said:

I carry so often now I don't feel it.  There are many churches that ban ccw.  There are others that encourage it and have members that are designated to carry.

This is the perfect example for what I was talking to Susan about.

[survivalshop]

8 hours ago, edgecrusher said:

This is the perfect example for what I was talking to Susan about.

 I told my wife she should carry at Church & every where else she goes , but she still doesn't . 

    We need Mental Health facilities back , would be a start .

     I don't want to sound like a Tin Foil Hat head , but there seems to be something to these shootings , both the last two seem to fall right into the anti gunners goal to ban firearms . This sick fuk may be a copy cat because of  the Vegas shooting .

   I thought I heard on the news that his mother had a PO box in this little town , so there may be a history with these people or the Church .

[survivalshop]

If this is true , he is an Atheist & he watches CNN , makes sense now , just why this church , maybe the mothers PO Box there , has something to do with it .

https://www.infowars.com/texas-shooter-liked-atheist-fb-pages-sjw-causes/

[survivalshop]

  Looks like he was Dishonorably Discharged from the Air Force because of Domestic Violence , which would make him ineligible from possessing a Firearm , IF he was convicted of it & its true .

[Magwa]

If the above is true then he is the criminal we have been telling the libtards about but i bet you anything they still think gun control will fix this.... truly sad event prayers for the families this has to stop...

[Armed Eye Doc]

He was dishonorably discharged and demoted for domestic violence against his wife and child.  

https://www.thedailybeast.com/devin-patrick-kelley-idd-as-sutherland-springs-church-killer

[mineralman55]

Prayers for the families and victims.

But of course we need more gun laws, which didn't work in the first place. Insanity all around.

[Armed Eye Doc]

36 minutes ago, mineralman55 said:

Prayers for the families and victims.

But of course we need more gun laws, which didn't work in the first place. Insanity all around.

The usual suspects started early. 

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/358868-democrats-renew-calls-for-gun-control-in-wake-of-texas-church-shooting

[bubbas4570]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/05/pastor-robert-jeffress-gun-control-not-prevented-church-shooting/

 

Something we all know, but still worth sharing with others.

[98Z5V]

12 hours ago, Armed Eye Doc said:

He was dishonorably discharged and demoted for domestic violence against his wife and child.  

https://www.thedailybeast.com/devin-patrick-kelley-idd-as-sutherland-springs-church-killer

He had a BCD (Bad Conduct Discharge), which is separate from the Dishonorable Discharge.  He still should have been reported, but wasn't for some reason.  Technically, the asshead didn't lie on his 4473, but the NICS check process would have caught the BCD, if the Pentagon had reported it, upon his discharge, like they damn well should have.  The guy knew it when he filled out the 4473, but that's playing word games, and that's what he did when he filled it out.

Get ready for the next version of the 4473, to include BCD in the same paragraph.  It will happen. 

Tomi Lahren sounds off about this liberal reaction to this tragic incident:

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/11/06/tomi-lahren-final-thoughts-calls-gun-control-after-texas-church-shooting

Edited November 7, 2017 by 98Z5V

[jtallen83]

The tragedy makes the argument that current laws need to be enforced rather than new laws passed a very relavent one. My only worry is the establishment will broaden the scope of offenses and conditions that disqualifies a person so broadly that they effectively disarm most of us.

[98Z5V]

Here is John R. Lott's opinion - which is a very valid one.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/11/06/texas-shooting-liberal-media-fixates-on-laws-that-wouldnt-have-stopped-attack-ignores-good-guy-with-gun.html

Texas shooting: Liberal media fixates on laws that wouldn't have stopped attack, ignores good guy with gun

Before knowing almost anything about Sunday’s mass public shooting, gun control advocates are once again calling for more gun control. The attack at the First Baptist Church in tiny Sutherland Springs, Texas, claimed 26 lives and left people with an understandable desire to “do something.” One thing is certain: the proposals put forward by gun control advocates wouldn’t have stopped this attack. 

What they ignored was what stopped the killer was a good guy with a gun. As one witness said, without the good guy with a gun it “would have been much worse.”  If more people were carrying guns, the attack might have been stopped even faster and more lives would have been saved.

Democratic Senators such as Dick Durbin (Ill.), Richard Blumenthal (Conn.), Bob Casey (Pa.), Dianne Feinstein (Calif.), and Kamala Harris (Calif.) all immediately made statements that were various versions of, “Congress must act.”

The media spent all day after the attack rhetorically asking whether now was the time for more gun control.  CNN’s Jim Acosta repeatedly asked if President Trump is, “Content . . . with these mass shootings exploding every month or so.”

Today, the day after the shooting, we know some more about the killer.  We now know that one of the victims who attended the church was his ex-mother-in-law.  That his conviction was for cracking the skull of his infant son years ago.  That he had a “bad conduct” discharge from the military.

If the media waited even a few hours, they would have learned that their calls for regulations — primarily for “universal” background checks — wouldn’t have stopped this attack. Indeed, their proposals wouldn’t have stopped any of the other mass public shootings in the last couple decades.  Kelley bought a gun at a gun store, and he passed the background check that the store conducted on him. Lying on the form doesn’t help you evade the computer background check.

Others on MSNBC immediately called for limiting magazine capacities, but a magazine is just a box with a spring in it.  They can be made with very simple tools, and now-a-days 3D printers make it an even easier project. We still don’t know if Kelley planned this attack long in advance, though he bought the gun back in April 2016.  It is very common for killers to plan mass public shootings one or two years in advance. It's not serious to think that a ban is going to keep anyone other than law-abiding people from obtaining a magazine. 

During his press conference early Monday morning in Japan, President Trump worried that the attack was the result of a "mental health problem at the highest level" and called the gunman a, “very deranged individual.” Kelley may well have been suffering from a mental illness, but mental health evaluations shouldn’t be counted for much help.  Psychiatrists and psychologists have an extremely poor track record in identifying those who pose a threat to others. Half of the mass public shooters of the Obama years were seeing mental health professionals prior to their attacks. None of these experts identified the killers as a danger to others.

Elliot Rodger, who killed six and injured 14 others near the University of California at Santa Barbara, fooled not only sheriff’s deputies but also the internationally-known Dr. Charles Sophy. Sophy is medical director for the Los Angeles County Department of Children and Family Services. That ought to give people pause before they assume that there’s an easy solution for identifying dangerous individuals.

We know that the attack at the Texas church could have been even worse if it wasn’t for an armed civilian. According to the Texas Department of Public Safety, “A local resident grabbed his rifle and engaged the suspect, the suspect dropped his rifle and fled from the church.”

Something should be done, but the question is what. Texas lets each church decide whether to allow permitted concealed handguns, and we don’t know whether this particular church allowed it. What we do know is that time is crucial. The longer it takes for someone to arrive at the scene with a gun, the more people who will be harmed. 

If the media and politicians want to do something effective, they could take a page out of Israel’s playbook. When there is a surge in terrorist attacks , Israeli police call on permitted civilians to make sure that they have their guns with them at all times.

Police tend to support an increase in permits. “What would help most in preventing large-scale shootings in public?” PoliceOne asked its 450,000 American officer members in 2013. The most common answer: “More permissive concealed carry policies for civilians.”

Eighty percent of the surveyed officers believed that allowing permitted concealed handguns would reduce the number of victims of mass public shootings.

Thank God, there was a good guy with a gun on Sunday in Sulpher Springs.

[survivalshop]

    This shooting also did one other thing , deflected all attention from the Vegas shooting . I find that disturbing on a couple levels , notice how fast we knew all about this latest shooter, but still know almost nothing about the Vegas shooter, makes you think that its just possible , that its more then just coincidence , that we don't know anything about a so called Millionaire who committed the largest ( so far ) mass murder in the USA.

  I think there is much they are not telling us .

   Of course there seems to be no ties between the two , that we know of or ever will , if there was . This one seems to be a domestic violence hate crime , he did know at least one or more people there . 

   Even if the AF shared the domestic violence conviction & Bad Conduct Discharge , he would have found another way to get a firearm , be it on the street , buying from a so called friend or stole it , he would have still did what he did .

       Makes me wonder if there were any mental evaluations done with him , but because of how tight HIPPA is , we will never know .

 

 

  

[EngrBob]

I will begin to think about any level of "gun control" when one of these progressives answers one simple question, "If someone is not going to obey the laws relating to murder, why would you believe they will obey those limiting the possession or use of guns?"