richyankee Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 I am starting to improve my DPMS Oracle for mostly target shooting. I plan to shoot 300 yards in the spring but whatever shooting I do between now and then will be mostly imited to 100 - 200 yards. I have a good trigger now and with a little more than 100 rounds with that, I amd about to improve my sighhting with a Burris 3-9x Fullfield E1. (ballistic plex reticle). Thinkingand reading here about mounts and rings, I think it comes down to three choices: - Burris PEPR mount - Aero Precsion SPR mount - Burrs XTR rings I have an set of Hawke rings right now (which are a little high) and I will set the the scope up with those to get some practice and first impressions. I've been reading here to see what you guys have been using and talking about. The mounts I'm looking at are all within my budget, saving some for a nice barrel project later this winter, or possibly reloading. Anybody have an opinion about these mounts for my rifle/situation? Thanks, Rich Liberty or Death Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 (edited) I find for myself , the one piece mounts don't work for me, all too low , but I have several sets of the Burris XTR Rings & they are built like Tanks . I just installed a set of the Leapers POI Ring sets on my Wife's Carbine & they are well made , nice looking Rings & made in the USA . Some really like the one piece Mounts . You cant go wrong with Burris Scopes or Rings , I have a bunch of Burris Scopes & love all of them . I have an 2x7x35 E1 with the E1 reticle & its great . I also like the Ballistic Flex . Edited December 6, 2017 by survivalshop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 Ive read more than a few people having issues with the PEPR mount. It is china made if that has any weight in your decision. Rings generally have more height options if you know EXACTLY where you want your scope. Warne QD rings are pretty nice as well. Ive had good experience with ADM lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 I like and have 2 RRA 1 pc. for 1" tubes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armed Eye Doc Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 1 hour ago, unforgiven said: I like and have 2 RRA 1 pc. for 1" tubes. I also have 2 of these and like them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, blue109 said: Ive read more than a few people having issues with the PEPR mount. It is china made if that has any weight in your decision. Rings generally have more height options if you know EXACT wherere you want your scope. Warne QD rings are pretty nice as well. Ive had good experience with ADM lately. Rich...Ive got the PEPR sitting in the trash pile...they suk like Blue stated........For a nice inexpensive mount look up the Nikons some already have 20 moa built in...I like em always hold zero m-308 mount forward lean to them...they work...so do Vortex mounts for the AR....check those out they are solid mounts...... Wash heres vortex they have different styles https://www.opticsplanet.com/vortex-30mm-cantilever-riflescope-ring-mount-for-ar-15.html heres the Nikon simplistic rock steady https://shop.opticsplanet.com/nikon-m-series-mount-30mm.html?_iv_code=NI-MT-839&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=plusbox-beta&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIwZjN3cfz1wIVyIqzCh3xzw2QEAQYBCABEgIsifD_BwE Rock River works too its a highrise https://www.opticsplanet.com/rock-river-arms-ar0131t-30mm-base-highrise-for-rifle-barrel-cantilever-black.html your head/face would have to be like Lurch for any of these not to work Edited December 5, 2017 by washguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richyankee Posted December 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 7 hours ago, survivalshop said: I find for myself , the one piece mounts don't work for me, all too low , but I have several sets of the Burris XTR Rings & they are built like Tanks . I just installed a set of the Leapers POI Ring sets on my Wife's Carbine & they are well made , nice looking Rings & made in the USA . Some really like the one piece Mounts . You cant go wrong with Burris Scopes or Rings , I have a bunch of Burris Scopes & love all of them . I have an 2x7x35 F1 with the E1 reticle & its great . I also like the Ballistic Flex . I'm going to look at all those rings and a couple of others that were identified here. Thanks. I'm not happy if I don't have a problem (the nature of an engineer I guess), so I am happy to have a few things to examine and think about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richyankee Posted December 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 7 hours ago, blue109 said: Ive read more than a few people having issues with the PEPR mount. It is china made if that has any weight in your decision. Rings generally have more height options if you know EXACTLY where you want your scope. Warne QD rings are pretty nice as well. Ive had good experience with ADM lately. thanks for telling me about the PEPR issues, I will avoid that. I guess there are a few rings to look at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richyankee Posted December 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 my list grew - not a bad ting - I can think about a few things while I play around with this idea: Burris XTR rings Warne QD rings ADM Leapers POI rings RRA one piece Nikon M series Vortex (how'd they get in there again?) More to learn. I'll thank you alll again and will post some range result. I'm still just getting used to the Larue trigger and that so far has been a good experience, which is what brought me back to the vision part of this. Liberty or Death Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richyankee Posted December 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 and aero precision... (for some reason, I have a bias toward them, probably from watching a lot of youtube videos - a questionable application of technology) T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 Rich looky here you can get the one inch or 30mm for cheap right here https://www.amazon.com/Nikon-M-308-Mount-Built-Slope/dp/B00M85OVHI/ref=sr_1_2/131-6321276-6285947?ie=UTF8&qid=1512507062&sr=8-2&keywords=nikon+m-308+mount you can spend more a lot more,but you wont gain much at all Wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgecrusher Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 ADM and LaRue mounts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 5 hours ago, richyankee said: Warne QD rings 1 hour ago, edgecrusher said: ADM and LaRue mounts Yes on both , I have a couple sets of the Warne QD & love them & their fixed sets also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 Larue QD 1 piece mounts simple freeking awesome... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 On 12/5/2017 at 12:59 PM, washguy said: Rich...Ive got the PEPR sitting in the trash pile...they suk like Blue stated........For a nice inexpensive mount look up the Nikons some already have 20 moa built in...I like em always hold zero m-308 mount forward lean to them...they work...so do Vortex mounts for the AR....check those out they are solid mounts...... Wash heres vortex they have different styles https://www.opticsplanet.com/vortex-30mm-cantilever-riflescope-ring-mount-for-ar-15.html heres the Nikon simplistic rock steady https://shop.opticsplanet.com/nikon-m-series-mount-30mm.html?_iv_code=NI-MT-839&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=plusbox-beta&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIwZjN3cfz1wIVyIqzCh3xzw2QEAQYBCABEgIsifD_BwE Rock River works too its a highrise https://www.opticsplanet.com/rock-river-arms-ar0131t-30mm-base-highrise-for-rifle-barrel-cantilever-black.html your head/face would have to be like Lurch for any of these not to work I sold my PEPR too couldn’t get a good sight picture thru it had to hold my head funky, hated it. First I thought it was the bargain vortex scope I got, that wasn’t it glad I didn’t sell it too. bought the Nikon mount 1000x better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 1 hour ago, shepp said: I sold my PEPR too couldn’t get a good sight picture thru it had to hold my head funky, hated it. First I thought it was the bargain vortex scope I got, that wasn’t it glad I didn’t sell it too. bought the Nikon mount 1000x better you didnt tell me it was messed up.. i havent had a scope for it yet any way. i like my other perp mount its cranked on tight though.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 49 minutes ago, sketch said: you didnt tell me it was messed up.. i havent had a scope for it yet any way. i like my other perp mount its cranked on tight though.. I don’t think it was messed up I think it was the hieght and I’m pretty sure I told you that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Rich not to be contrary, but the standard PEPR mounts have worked for me, just don’t get the quick detach one, as they loosen up and don’t return to zero. I actually had a Burriss 3x9Fullfield in a standard PEPR mount on my AR10T carbine for several years, and it worked quite well. The Fullfield is now on my M1A and a Primary Arms 1x6 sits in the PEPR mount on my AR10T. The RRA 1piece mount is also excellent as I have that with a big Nikon scope on another rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 16 minutes ago, shepp said: I don’t think it was messed up I think it was the hieght and I’m pretty sure I told you that ? just razzing ya bro ? 12 minutes ago, Sisco said: Rich not to be contrary, but the standard PEPR mounts have worked for me, just don’t get the quick detach one, as they loosen up and don’t return to zero. I actually had a Burriss 3x9Fullfield in a standard PEPR mount on my AR10T carbine for several years, and it worked quite well. The Fullfield is now on my M1A and a Primary Arms 1x6 sits in the PEPR mount on my AR10T. The RRA 1piece mount is also excellent as I have that with a big Nikon scope on another rifle. my other is a qd and is not coming off.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Yep it's the quick detach that suks wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisco Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 1 hour ago, sketch said: just razzing ya bro ? my other is a qd and is not coming off.. Glad to hear that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richyankee Posted December 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 308AR is a big boy rifle - I like the idea of making them run - and turning cover into concealment. I had to look at some of the more pricey options, knowing that I'm a lot more likely to get something for < $100. It does make sense to get equipment better than my eyes and my skills - but I don't have to go far to get there... I've given myself two rounds of obsession over this already. Burris Signature rings would give me some amusing trig problems to work on, but I really want to shoot better consistently so it would be a diversion (I don't think I need to add or subtract 40+ MOA in the mount to make my shots work). In the next round, I had to know about LaRue, ADM and Bobro and I eventually found some test results on RTZ - all of those and a couple of others performed well on the test. I've seen a bunch of yt vids on mounting and LR shooting. I just ordered and Aero Precision ultralight mount for the Burris scope. I expect it won't be the last. I was pretty close to pulling the trigger on a LaRue, then I noticed I'm not the only one here who wants things. So I think there is one of those in the future for me. Also a barrel upgrade, when I can shoot a little better than my 16" DPMS. Thanks a=for all the ideas and facts. I admit I was completely scared off of the PEPR. If it ever gets warm enough - I'll go out and shoot . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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