Is the 'open carry' movement going too far?

[Powerman]

Show me that rule.

 

I was being sarcastic.... but just watching TV... seems like it's true.... not that there's anything wrong with that.... or carrying a AR-15 into Starbucks....

 

It's just that nobody should be surprised on either side when people stare. And just like some on both sides... some just do it to be shocking....  ;)

Edited July 12, 2014 by Powerman

[planeflyer21]

Damn Blue! Why'd ya hafta go and bring your sex life into it?

 

<lmao>  Zing!

[gnatshooter]

Alabama Ruling Hobbles Ban on Guns in the Open at Polls - New York Times - July 12, 2014
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/13/us/alabama-ruling-hobbles-ban-on-guns-in-the-open-at-polls.html?_r=0

It's the NY Times -- which is joined at the hip with the Democrats/'progressives'

Mr. Allen votes regularly, and no one had given his gun so much as a second glance before. But on this day, a polling official — his Aunt Rita, actually — took issue.

“She threw her hands in the air and said, ‘No guns allowed!’ ” Mr. Allen recalled last week. “I laughed, because I thought she was being funny.”

Aunt Rita was not. A sign outside the station entrance warned voters to leave their guns outside. “She’s my aunt, and I respect my elders,” Mr. Allen said. He put his pistol in his car, cast his vote and left.

But he did not go meekly. And because he did not, Alabamians who vote in Tuesday’s runoff election will be able to carry guns openly and with confidence in many of the state’s polling places.

Why anyone would want to take a gun into a voting booth is the wrong question. “I don’t wear my seatbelt only when I’m going to have an accident,” Mr. Allen said.

For comparison and contrast, consider:

Black Panthers allowed back to Philadelphia polling place (in official capacity) - Examiner - November 6, 2012

http://www.examiner.com/article/black-panthers-allowed-back-to-philadelphia-polling-place-official-capacity

 

On Tuesday, morning, New Black Panther Party member, Jerry Jackson, was seen standing outside of a North Philadelphia polling place, dressed in the hate group's paramilitary uniform, complete with trademark black beret.

Jackson was one of three Black Panthers charged with voter intimidation in the 2008 presidential election, in a case which was ultimately dropped by the Obama administration.

[black Panther] Shabazz held a nightstick, pointing it at people, and prosecutors said he "supports racially motivated violence against non-blacks and Jews."

While charges were brought against the Black Panthers by the Bush administration, the Obama administration dropped them in May 2009, settling instead, for an agreement with Shabazz to not carry a "deadly weapon" into or near a polling place until 2012.

[unforgiven]

I carry for my family and myself.

[gnatshooter]

Compare and contrast, as they say.... and this is not looking good.

 

Open Carry Texas Schedules New Date For Armed March Through Black Neighborhood - PoliticUSA - July 15th 2014
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/07/15/open-carry-texas-schedules-date-armed-march-black-neighborhood.html

Open Carry Texas, a gun rights advocacy group, announced that they have scheduled their march through the Fifth Ward in Houston. The march, which was initially scheduled for Juneteenth [anniversary of the end of slavery] but postponed at the last minute, will feature open-carry enthusiasts marching through the streets of the predominantly black Houston neighborhood carrying long assault rifles.  

But maybe a demographic group has a 'militia'. Consider:

New Jersey Cops On High Alert As 'Bloods' Gang Threaten To Kill More Officers - FoxLatino - July 16, 2014

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2014/07/16/new-jersey-cops-on-high-alert-as-bloods-threaten-to-kill-more-officers/

Authorities in Jersey City, N.J. already on edge following the ambush-killing of a rookie police officer over the weekend, are on high alert after the street gang The Bloods purportedly vowed to kill even more Jersey City cops after last week’s slaying of Officer Melvin Santiago.

A senior law enforcement official told the New York Post that the infamous gang has threatened to “kill a Jersey City cop and not stop until the National Guard is called out.”

[beachmaster]

I wonder if these gangs and groups are funded through the Obama administration like the Mexican cartels have been...

[98Z5V]

I wonder if these gangs and groups are funded through the Obama administration like the Mexican cartels have been...

 

Would make perfect sense, wouldn't it?  Hire some people to go out and make 2A look bad.  I certainly wouldn't put it past this crooked-as-fuk administration, that's for sure.

[gnatshooter]

Walmart, so far, indicates it won't join Target in refusing gun toters - Arkansas Times - July 17, 2014
http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2014/07/17/walmart-so-far-indicates-it-wont-join-target-in-refusing-gun-toters

A loaded gun left in a Walmart restroom in South Carolina raises the question of whether a drive to encourage national chains to declare their premises off-limits to open carry of guns could prompt a change in policy at Walmart.
 

[The 'journalist' involved in this story seems to have been over-eager to do something with this headline.]

[beachmaster]

Walmart sells guns and ammo, and i done think they want to loose the hicks like myself. They make alot of money on guns, ammo, real tree, and duck dynasty lol

Edited July 20, 2014 by beachmaster

[DNP]

They quit selling guns here a long time ago. A few stores still sell ammo, some don't even have that.

[98Z5V]

All the more reason to move next door, and hang out with me, brother! 

[planeflyer21]

"Regular" Walmarts here quit selling firearms.

 

Walmart Super Centers have a very nice liberal-head exploding display of long guns, to include ARs and riot guns.

[gnatshooter]

Open carry has taken some heat here, but open carry just got some credibility:

Kansas becomes nation’s 15th ‘Gold Star’ open carry state - Examiner - July 21, 2014
http://www.examiner.com/article/kansas-becomes-nation-s-15th-gold-star-open-carry-state

Kansans now enjoy a more simplified set of gun laws, thanks to new legislation effective July 1st of this year. The new gun law, HB 2578 generally bars localities from banning the carry of unconcealed firearms on foot and in vehicles; local government can still limit gun carry inside governmental facilities if it provides adequate security measures to protect the citizens it has disarmed.
 

[beachmaster]

That is good to hear!

I am glad to see our rights take a step forward, but it is almost scary to see our nation become so far and so strictly divided...

[CactusRos]

Okay, this thread has gone a little stale, but an open-carry demonstration at Phoenix Sky Harbor just ticks me off!

 

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2014/09/03/sky-harbor-airport-gun-details-report-abrk/15053753/

 

This guy would have been fine except he violated my #1 rule: muzzle control - know where the muzzle is pointing and don't let it point at anything you're not willing to see destroyed. I see this kind of guy in the gun shops every time I visit one. He's handed a gun for inspection and is soon sweeping everyone else at the counter.

 

If you are going to "open carry", for heaven's sake do it responsibly.

[planeflyer21]

/\/\/\/\ Except the prosecutor refused to press charges after viewing airport security footage, determining that the complaintants had no complaint and no law had been violated.

[blue109]

win

[98Z5V]

If he swept someone, he's a fucking idiot.  He IS a Phoenix Doctor, so it makes sense.

[Robocop1051]

This is the fucked up part... there's an obvious right and wrong way to going about this. 99.9999% of the cops know about open carry protesters and we know they are harmless... If Mr X wants to be a douchebag and make our day miserable, we'll make sure his gets ruined in the process.

If Mr X's behavior gets a complaint from bystanders, and we show up (which we don't want to do, but are still REQUIRED to do) a little bit of courtesy goes a loooong way.... on both sides.

Cop: How's it going sir? What brings you out here today?

Mr X: just out here trying to educate the public on open carry rights.

Cop: understood. I'm sure you understand we got complaints about you today.

Mr X: I can imagine so. Hence my reasons for being here.

Cop: please continue to maintain firearm safety and maintain a lawful presence. Thank you for responsibly supporting your 2nd amendment rights.

Booom. Done. No paper. Back to lunch.

Every time someone asks me "am I being detained".... I respond with, "Are you fucking kidding me right now? Between the Penal Codes, Vehicle Codes, Healthy and Safety Codes, Welfare and Institution Code and the Business and Profession Codes I have over 30,000 laws at my disposal. Do you really think you're so pious that I can't find just one to detain you?"

[392heminut]

LOL! You are a silver tounged devil Rob! <thumbsup>

Edited September 7, 2014 by 392heminut

[bigdaddy1957]

New here but certainly not new.....getting close to 60 years old......wow I can't believe I'm that old.

 

So I have seen a lot in my life. I lived most of those years in New York City......I just moved to Texas a year ago.

 

This is my take on some issues concerning firearms but a little more background. I for the first time have been able to buy and shoot firearms other than a stint in the army. I love shooting and I love firearms, it's now my passion, always was. Living in NYC they made it so hard to get a gun and go to places to learn how to properly use them it was a waste of time. At one time they had a provision that as a disabled person you could not get a firearms permit, it was in black and white online. That law has changed but others are there now that limit ownership even more. I am now disabled due to an injury while working.

 

I grew up in one of the worst neighborhoods in the USA at the time, East New York in Brooklyn. I drove a bus for the city in Manhattan including the Bronx and Harlem, mid-town all over. I have seen so many things even helped the police catch a criminal with my bus right near where they filmed part of the move about Malcolm X. I lived on Staten Island during hurricane Sandy, nobody helped, nobody came, nobody cared. I waited at the window for looters with a stick and knife taped to the end.

 

Like I said I have a lot of life experience and have been in many dangerous situations, it's life in the city.....

 

OK here goes......

 

The NRA, I was just going to join them until they had Sarah Palin speak for them, they actually paid that dimwit dingbat of a women to talk. She does not represent me at all in anyway. I am holding back joining them to rethink it and see if there are other options. If there are no other options I will join the NRA next year. They do very important and good things for gun owners. I hope they think a bit before having right wing nuts who soldout to special interest groups as a governor and quit her position speak for them. I don't think she represents any sane person. For that matter neither does any left wing liberal democrat.

 

I will NEVER vote for any politician who is for gun control of any kind. Not under any circumstances will I ever vote for anyone running that believes in anyway there should be any type of gun control. I will vote for anyone who wants to repel gun control and believes in gun and 2nd amendment rights.

 

I will get my CHL in a few months. What am I waiting for? I feel when I am comfortable enough to have the responsibility of carrying a gun everyday wherever I go I will get that license. If I have to use it I want to make sure I do so legally and accurately. I do keep them in my car always and ready in my home now. I sure needed them in NYC, a place of course I could not. Yet here in Texas there have been some recent instances of home owners having to shoot intruders so it happens everywhere.

 

Open carry.....I have no problem with it. In fact I think people would be more friendly and talkative with it. Hey friend is that a M1911 in that holster? Yup, it's the one my granddad gave me, he carried it in WWII. Or is that an original M16? Yes my dad carried it in Vietnam. Something like that......I think you get the idea. Now would I want to see 10,000 people open carry walking around Times Square in Manhattan? I do not know honestly.....that would be a strange sight. I have no problem with people having so called machine guns, I fear the sniper with a 30,06 with a scope much more.

 

I do know that since I was a kid the one thing I can say is that America has been a gun country. It was founded by gun people and has always been a country that stands for the rights and freedom of the individual person. That guns have always stood for the protection of each individual to be equal, the great equalizer as it's called. It has been stated that the need for an armed population is there to protect against evil, criminals and against our or any government that would take away our rights. It is well know that all countries have feared Americans because we can shoot and know how to handle firearms. We are known for our courage in battle and ability to shoot. They know the power and might of the USA and it's people.

 

What I do not understand is why certain people want to take that power away. What scares them about guns or the people? So many of these so-called anti-gun people have guns themselves or armed bodyguards, they are hypocrites in the worst way.

 

I'll give up my guns when I am the last person that has one on the planet. But what if......how could anybody say nobody has a gun. What if they have a knife, I am disabled how do I protect myself from a bigger man with a knife? By having a gun. So I'll amend that and add when civilized humans no longer are aggressive and violent. When will that happen? Probably never it's human nature. So I guess I will NEVER give up my guns.

 

I have seen crime, I have been robbed, my house has been robbed, I even walked in on a burglary not knowing they where upstairs (I lived in the side apartment). I have seen many things living in New York concerning crime and violence against me and others.

 

Gun ownership breeds responsibility. The thing that is lost in this country now is taking responsibility for your actions. Too many excuses for acting in an uncivilized manner. Teaching children to take care of the things they have and respect the laws of the land is what is missing in our new age society. Gun ownership brings both into view for children and adults. Being on the right side of the law and being involved with upholding the law is what is missing from our society, people are not invested in it and don't feel part of it. This is a country of the people and they are chipping away at that, it is now a country of the government and big corporations not even owned by Americans anymore. No wonder people do not have any pride in this country and it's laws, they don't feel part of it anymore. Like they have no say in what's going on and what the government does even if they vote.

 

The founding fathers where able to protect themselves from the British because they had guns. No country ever invaded the mainland because Americans have guns. Every tyrant was able to enslave his people because they had no way of fighting back against government forces.

 

I'll ask this; Would that purse snatcher take the purse of an older lady with a .357 on her hip? Maybe our society should stop making so many purse snatchers but that's another discussion.

[jtallen83]

The NRA went along with the ban on machine guns that Reagan passed as well as negotiating the original NFA with Roosevelt. If they want my support then they need to work for the reversal of the laws that have stolen my Liberty, not just attempt to maintain what crumbs are left!

Stepping off the soap box now..........

[392heminut]

Welcome to the forum Bigdaddy and congratulations on escaping from New York! Great post! <thumbsup>

[sketch]

BD Welcome!

[Dane Armory]

Welcome BigDaddy ! + 2 on your post.

The British did invade the US... they sacked Washington DC and burned the White House. That was part of the War of 1812 which lasted 3 years and had several small conflicts. History lesson over.