.308LiteHunter Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 I mentioned earlier about "staying put" and some took that as I was staying in my house... Quite on the contrary. I have picked out several locations within a short walk or driving distance, that can be quickly occupied and fortified. The facilities will accommodate all the people I need and then some. Most residences don't have the capability to be "fortified". I'm talking about limited roadway access, fences, and controlled entry amongst. Then you have to take into account living arrangements for however many people you include... you can't do it alone. Places like hotels and churches are great. The older the better. The really old ones likely have facilities that won't rely on modern technology. Just think of how many people you will need to keep and control the larger facilities. Size and population are a delicate balance. Being that I live in a fairly old city (nothing compared to the east coast guys) I've picked out some prime locations. They can be fortified. They are centrally located to resources. They can withstand an extended occupation. Just my $0.02 Don't want to hijack the thread but I'm interested in more about this. Any other criteria for a good bug out spot in an urban/ suburban area.? If you are interested in this kind of thing there was an interesting show called The Colony, I watched it on Netflix, it's about a group of strangers dropped off in a suburban area and trying to find a location/ resources to survive. Pretty interesting to see how the people prioritized, and what they thought was important to survive. They actually created some pretty cool things, large water filter, a gasifier where they collected wood gas that ran a lawnmower which powered an alternator which charged batteries for powered tools, and they built a pretty cool scout vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robocop1051 Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 "The Colony" was scripted reality. In season 2, Adam "Tick" Ticknor (who joined mid season) blew the whole thing open afterwards. Especially when a cast member was killed in the filming of season 3. Tick explained that the cast was given tasks on a weekly or daily basis. Certain members were given the information on how to accomplish the tasks so to make them look like experts. They still had to survive their conditions. Doctors on site watched in case there was a decline in health. If you saw the accident in season 1, the guy has some impressive bandaging afterwards, despite the limited medical experience of the cast. In season 2, the cast was so weak they brought in Tick, a former recon sniper, who had an opportunity to study the area prior to arrival and stated he already knew which indigenous animals and plants he'd be able to harvest. While it was great entertainment and had some decent ideas, it was still TV. Fences, gates, or anything that'll control ingres or egress. Buildings with few to no windows that are reachable from the ground level outside. An accessible roof top. A self contained fire control system, that doesn't run on city utilities that can be shut off. We already talked about solar. Old furnace systems for heat. Proper plumbing facilities to accommodate everyone housed in the facility... it could get stinky real fast. Cooking and eating facilities. On top of the facility properties, you should look at other surrounding resources. Proximity to fresh water, transportation, hospitals and even restaurants and grocery stores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.308LiteHunter Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 (edited) Good stuff thanks Robo Not saying The Colony is a good resource, just that it might provide a little perspective even if tv. Edited July 7, 2014 by .308LiteHunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted July 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 My father in law has one that drapes over the top of his pack while backpacking. It charges his phone and spare battery all day, which he listens to music on all night, while sucking down a 5th of Jack and a half box of cigars... lol Buddy of mine went on a fishing trip while his wife was in her last month or so of her pregnancy. He bought one if those small panels to keep his cell phone charged, he was pretty pleased with how it worked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 Bugging in! Hmmmm well at it's best it would be very difficult to survive in a large city bugging in some things to consider..... if the event is a EMP or lights or no power event then I would bug out! get the hell out of the city if you are in the country or suburbs prepare for a invasion from the city, here is why... 3 to 4 days in all grocery stores will be stripped, then panic will set in and there will be haves and have nots,then the fighting and looting will ensue. To survive this you must avoid it and in my opinion it will be alot easier to leave a large city before the fighting and looting start. you must have access to a clean and steady water supply, this is a must and shelter depending on time of year ,the more people in a area the less resources and higher probability of contact with a have not who wants what you have. If the event is a temporary thing then bugging in is ok . Now back to the city in 2 weeks garbage and raw sewage will be everywhere abandoned cars burned out cars etc etc and remember in the first 2 weeks all people on life support ,dialysis, anyone dependent on power will be dead,those bodies have to go somewhere.... in 6 weeks 30 percent of the population will be dead due to disease and starvation large cities will become a death trap due to contaminated water and lack of the abilitiy to dispose of the dead. to survive you must avoid all of this and to do that I say bug out as far from people as you can, remote after this 6 to 8 week crash things will level out and then you must figure out how you want to continue, with a group ,or solo, or whatever . Cash's buried in a remote spot that you can get to will be a great insurance policy, and don't forget to study up on some basic dental care also more primitive people died from tooth abscesses than from fighting, it is the small things that get ya. learn many ways of building fires it is fun practice and can be a heaven send in the right conditions. surviving is tough because in todays world we do not have the mind set to do it we have the mind set that when things get tough or we get hungry we quit and go to town or the doctor, that has made us weak and I do not think it is possible to teach it you must learn by living it . a good example of this mindset is when Native Americans had what we called a starving winter (resources were not good that year) the old would simply walk into the woods and disappear, they did that so the young and stronger could make it. Modern day man's idea is to save everyone and that will simply not happen in a serious event.... just some ideas to ponder.. for myself the older I get the harder it will become but I will avoid people at all cost, or keep it to a small mobile group of like minded folks.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLKSHEEP Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Very well written Magwa, I'm of the same mindset, If you can get as far away form other people as possible! I have a great place to go, can I get to it? well it just depends on many factors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Magwa speaks!! I knew you can teach us thank you brother in many ways!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Magwa paints a scenario out of "the Walking Dead"..... <lmao> <laughs> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 (edited) The purge anarchy ? A million ways to die? Added a comedy :) Edited July 8, 2014 by sketch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survivalshop Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Just think how many others are going to think or be forced to think the same way & do you think the people in these out of the way places will welcome all the hordes coming from the City's , with welcome arms . "Yes , come join us , we will share our supplies with you " NOT ! The fact is , what ever happens to make this Sereno , it will not be scripted by anything in a survival book , it will be pure chaos & being prepared helps more than not , that's for sure . Just don't expect it to go down in much of the forms in writings. Since this is thread is about B.O.B.'s & where I live , It would be a last resort to bug out at all , but still good to have one in case of natural disasters & should be kept close at hand , just in case. I live in Hurricane world down here & having a B.O.B. in my car/truck could mean the difference between life & death if caught out in something like a Hurricane , Tornado , earth Quake ,fire , etc. ( or that you may have to leave because of one of them ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted July 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Magwa paints a scenario out of "the Walking Dead"..... <lmao> <laughs> Think about it tho no power= no life support No power= no refrigeration I know many places have natural gas generators, but how long does the natural gas last if the pumping stations go down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 (edited) Survivals point is spot on !!! there is now plan for a scenario like this it will be total chaos for a long time.. and no I agree the ones in the hills will not welcome anyone but because it will be chaos the less contact with folks the better and easier for you to keep yourself fed and watered.... BTW the folks on The walking Dead are idiots they are the worst at surviving I have ever seen..... :)))))))))))))))))))) <thumbsup> PS I have a wife that is a nurse has been for over 25 years she is the one who pointed out to me all the folks who would be dead just from the lack of electricity and drugs. Edited July 8, 2014 by Magwa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted July 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 PS I have a wife that is a nurse has been for over 25 years she is the one who pointed out to me all the folks who would be dead just from the lack of electricity and drugs. Drugs alone look at all the people who are on some kinda scrip to control this or that or on Oxygen. How many of us or our parents are on meds to control BP, Cholesterol, or help some organ function?! Not saying zombie apocalypse but a lot of people depend on all that to live, and that's the whole point of bugging out right? To stay alive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Drugs alone look at all the people who are on some kinda scrip to control this or that or on Oxygen. How many of us or our parents are on meds to control BP, Cholesterol, or help some organ function?! Not saying zombie apocalypse but a lot of people depend on all that to live, and that's the whole point of bugging out right? To stay alive? The way the medical community controls prescriptions for everything at all, looks like it's nearly impossible to establish a cache of meds for anything at all. Now I have heard of people getting penicillin antibiotics from pet stores, to help clean fish tanks of bacteria. Supposedly this antibiotic works for people, too -- but of course, the proper human dose is not given on the package. At the very least, they should offer sulfa over the counter. It's good stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magwa Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 Imagine elderly folk in Arizona or the south in August and no air conditioning we take for granted so many small things . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeflyer21 Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 Imagine elderly folk in Arizona or the south in August and no air conditioning we take for granted so many small things . Plenty of old folks here in Arizona when I was a youngin', with many rural areas not having electricity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibiwan Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) Imagine elderly folk in Arizona or the south in August and no air conditioning we take for granted so many small things . I bet you haven't seen them spontaneously combust and vaporize in the AZ heat.... **POOF** <lmao> <laughs> Edited July 9, 2014 by shibiwan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted July 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 The way the medical community controls prescriptions for everything at all, looks like it's nearly impossible to establish a cache of meds for anything at all. Now I have heard of people getting penicillin antibiotics from pet stores, to help clean fish tanks of bacteria. Supposedly this antibiotic works for people, too -- but of course, the proper human dose is not given on the package. At the very least, they should offer sulfa over the counter. It's good stuff. Aquariums are another hobby of mine there are a lot of "human drugs" used for fish. I was talking with a good friend of mine about that last winter, I was trying to get an antibiotic for one of my fish and I couldn't because one of the main ingredients was used for malaria? And I guess there was a huge out break last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 Plenty of old folks in Texas too...and im one of them...I refuse to vaporize Char has been on my azz for a gen set....gotta have AC and heat fridge/ freezer and TV <lmao> Wash im thinkin of this one? http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/Winco-HPS12000HE-Portable-Generator/p1187.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unforgiven Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 Tri-fuel brillant brother.Natural gas disruption might be a possibility.With a propane tank [wife call them a peanut] you got the bases covered, for awhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Tri-fuel brillant brother.Natural gas disruption might be a possibility.With a propane tank [wife call them a peanut] you got the bases covered, for awhile. Lots of farmers in this neck of the woods have massive propane (LP) tanks on account of they won't run natural gas pipelines out to them cuz it's just plain too far away. Thing about propane, is that it doesn't have as many BTUs per unit of gas that you get from 'natural gas'. So anything built to handle natgas will run, but not run as hot. Farmers around here have complained about that, but they get used to it eventually. It just takes longer to cook things. And I'm talking about ovens, stove-top burners, and furnaces. Now these farmer LP tanks are about 4/5 the length of a limousine, and about twice as tall as a casket. If I were a starving urbanite, crazed by hunger and driven by a need to find a warm, dry place to sleep, anyone with an LP tank in the front yard (where farmers put them) would be an instant target for conquest. Those LP tanks last a long time. The only upside to this is that, in this neck of the woods, everyone knows farmers have guns and even the kids know how to use them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracomeister Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Being a borderline prepper has its advantages in everyday life. Many good books on the subject but my favorites are actually novels, "Alas Babylon" and "One Second After". For in depth prepper info I like "Without Rule of Law" and "Holding Your Ground" by Joe Nobody. And, of course, no Prepper Library is complete without the "Foxfire" series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnatshooter Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) And, of course, no Prepper Library is complete without the "Foxfire" series. ^^^ Totally agree, without hesitation. It is really very few years ago that our ancestors developed truly ingenious technology for 'living on the land'. This technology could easily have been forgotten, as farm folk became city-dwellers -- but the Foxfire series describes that tech in detail. After SHTF, this forgotten technology will very quickly become the very best tech available, and having the Foxfire series could help save you, and the rest of your team. A link to the series of Foxfire books -- and they take a few feet of shelf space -- is here. Edited July 10, 2014 by gnatshooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shepp Posted July 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Lots of farmers in this neck of the woods have massive propane (LP) tanks on account of they won't run natural gas pipelines out to them cuz it's just plain too far away. Thing about propane, is that it doesn't have as many BTUs per unit of gas that you get from 'natural gas'. So anything built to handle natgas will run, but not run as hot. Farmers around here have complained about that, but they get used to it eventually. It just takes longer to cook things. And I'm talking about ovens, stove-top burners, and furnaces. Now these farmer LP tanks are about 4/5 the length of a limousine, and about twice as tall as a casket. If I were a starving urbanite, crazed by hunger and driven by a need to find a warm, dry place to sleep, anyone with an LP tank in the front yard (where farmers put them) would be an instant target for conquest. Those LP tanks last a long time. The only upside to this is that, in this neck of the woods, everyone knows farmers have guns and even the kids know how to use them. Farmers also use LP for their corn dryers, one reason the upper Midwest had a propane shortage last winter. The wet fall paired with the cold hard winter and a pipeline break down drove the prices sky hi! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washguy Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 My best friend sez there's no way to defend your/my home in the burbs....he sez buggin out is the only way.... he sez I couldnt defend my home for very long,so whats the use of a gen set and stayin inside all hunkered down?...the bad guys will wait you out and get ya from all sides.....he sez the deer lease way down south is the ticket...oh sure 300 miles on the road... I say no way...opinions please :) Wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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