AR-10 not .308

[blue109]

45 minutes ago, FreQRiDeR said:

But it's totally ok to call any piece of crap rifle you build in 5.56/.223 an AR-15 !?!? 

Yes...because that's what it is. AR10 is not a type or style of firearm, its a specific brand model. Its not compatible with the majority of 308AR type rifles. As an example of why we harp on this:

A member was recently troubleshooting a build. He didn't know that there is a difference between AR10 gas tubes and AR15/LR308 gas tubes. He had a standard tube and needed an AR10 tube....so he went out and bought an AR10 tube....that was the same as the tube he already had because even shops and gunsmiths can't seem to understand that the AR10 is not a generic term for 308 AR rifles. It is a specific rifle. 

[jtallen83]

1 hour ago, FreQRiDeR said:

But it's totally ok to call any piece of crap rifle you build in 5.56/.223 an AR-15 !?!? 

Armalite actually calls their version a M15.

https://armalite.com/product-category/complete-firearms/m-15/

[blue109]

All M15s are AR15s, but not all AR15s are M15s :D

[98Z5V]

5 hours ago, FreQRiDeR said:

But it's totally ok to call any piece of crap rifle you build in 5.56/.223 an AR-15 !?!? 

Who currently holds the patent or trademark on the term "AR-15?"...

[FreQRiDeR]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15

Just like the AR-10, the AR 15 was a Stoner design which Armalite then liscensed to Colt. Wiki differentiates between the Armalite AR-15, Colt CAR-15 and calls the others "AR platform" rifles. 

Yes, AR-15 platform is more standardized (milspec) than AR-10 /308 AR platform rifles, but that's mainly the manufactures' faults. 

[98Z5V]

Here's a better history on it:

https://www.ammoland.com/2016/04/ar-15-rifle-historical-time-line/#axzz4g5G4WX3f

Bottom line is easy - Colt trademarked the name, after the patents expired.  Colt hasn't raised as much hell about the "AR-15" term use in the weapon system's designation.  If they'd try it now, they'd have a very hard time going after every manufacturer, based on a term that's become common-use (that they allowed to become a common-use term).

Shiit, they don't even hold the M-16 base contract with the military anymore... 

So, to answer your original question - yes, it's totally ok to call any piece of crap rifle you build in 5.56/.223 an AR-15.

[98Z5V]

15 minutes ago, FreQRiDeR said:

Yes, AR-15 platform is more standardized (milspec) than AR-10 /308 AR platform rifles, but that's mainly the manufactures' faults. 

To get into that discussion, you'd need to understand the M-16/M4 TDP.

There is no TDP on the large-frame ARs.  If anything was ever close to it, it would've been the KAC SR-25 and variants.

Edited May 4, 2017 by 98Z5V

[jtallen83]

6 hours ago, blue109 said:

All M15s are AR15s, but not all AR15s are M15s :D

Guess I have both

[GRA]

That clown gave my agin' ass a damn headache. 

 

Pelosi or Feinstein or Jerkson-Lee must've overheard us all somehow and sent a damn troll in here.  

 

[GRA]

On 5/3/2017 at 8:17 AM, EngrBob said:

Perhaps he just sneaked across the border.  We have a lot of that here.

[bubbas4570]

On 05/03/2017 at 0:48 PM, Sisco said:

 And a new record for pissing everyone on the Forum off! Some people just have "The Gift". Also, what's a boollit?

That is how the members over at castboolits.gunloads.com describe their lead bullets.

Just a way of differentiating their cast from jacketed. ..which are colloquially called J-words......

[Sisco]

Thanks for clarifying that. I was not aware of that.

[unforgiven]

On ‎5‎/‎3‎/‎2017 at 11:36 AM, 98Z5V said:

I can't believe that guy snapped like that!...  

Not sayin you bring it out in some people but.........

[Armed Eye Doc]

1 hour ago, unforgiven said:

Not sayin you bring it out in some people but.........

No, this guy was just an a$$hole.

Edited May 7, 2017 by Armed Eye Doc

[unforgiven]

From what I saw there is no doubt, but I have seen my brother push a few off the cliff. which was very entertaining at the time. There again they did ask for it.

[washguy]

Now this is what a thread should be like!   Wash

[mrmackc]

On 5/3/2017 at 11:36 AM, 98Z5V said:

I can't believe that guy snapped like that!...  

Damn you are getting good and efficient at weeding our garden, I need to start keeping better notes!

[Sisco]

8 hours ago, mrmackc said:

Damn you are getting good and efficient at weeding our garden, I need to start keeping better notes!

Well put.