cheap-bastidge Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 be prepared, there will be more coming with problems and questions.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 I'll bet they finally unfucked it. That's why it's Gen 3. They probably fixed all the issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 Holy Shat. They clearanced the lower receiver, where BCG contact happens when the recoil system isn't correct, and you beat up your lower... Is that so you can't tell that the recoil system isn't right?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheap-bastidge Posted August 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 1 minute ago, 98Z5V said: Holy Shat. They clearanced the lower receiver, where BCG contact happens when the recoil system isn't correct, and you beat up your lower... Is that so you can't tell that the recoil system isn't right?... This is exactly why I posted it. I saw that, and thinking back on the most common issues with gen 2, immediately decided the cluster is only getting worse, not better....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 They're including an adjustable gas block, so you can tame down that "over-gassed rifle" that actually has a gas port that's too small in the first place... You now have an adjustable gas block and a too-small gas port, so you can "tame down" your rifle that is "under-recoiled" with a weak recoil system. They're still using an H1 buffer, which is too light. They're saying "AR-10 spring" which it probably isn't, unless they're getting the Armalite EA1095 spring FROM Armalite... I'll BET that receiver extension isn't 7 5/8" internal depth, either - but who cares? They clearanced the lower to you won't see the evidence of the BCG hitting it!... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peachey Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 @98Z5V No, no, no, they clearanced it so it only costs an additional $0.50 to keep it from hitting lolol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jtallen83 Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 WOW! A 7075 charging handle, gotta get one of those......... Wonder how much 7075 they removed from the lower to get that clearance, and right where I want less material on my lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peachey Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 On the upside, like I've said from the word go, if it wasn't for their failures I/we would have never found y'all. So who knows, maybe some open minded folks will find 308AR and stick around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peachey Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 The gas block just blows my mind though. Wouldn't it be easier and more cost effective to just use a proper port hole and tube combo? For that matter, proper buffer weight and tube lengths wouldn't seem like that big of a deal either, but who knows........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue109 Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 Another fancy part that 97% of PA10 buyers will NEVER adjust, but will always use it as a bragging point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Peachey said: The gas block just blows my mind though. Wouldn't it be easier and more cost effective to just use a proper port hole and tube combo? For that matter, proper buffer weight and tube lengths wouldn't seem like that big of a deal either, but who knows........ That would make a "reliable rifle for almost any ammunition type," yes. However, it seems like they're trying to use the "Race Gun" approach and apply it to budget guns, in order to save a few bucks here and there. It'll never work... It's not a Race Gun... which would only shoot one type of hand-loaded ammo in the first place, for competition only... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armed Eye Doc Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 3 hours ago, 98Z5V said: They're saying "AR-10 spring" He said "PA10" spring. I'm not sure what that means though. I'm sure they don't either. That rifle had more recoil than my 450B and almost as much as @sketch 458 shoulder shredder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 25 minutes ago, Armed Eye Doc said: He said "PA10" spring. I'm not sure what that means though. I'm sure they don't either. That rifle had more recoil than my 450B and almost as much as @sketch 458 shoulder shredder. He can say whatever he wants - and doesn't know what he's talking about in the first place, I'm sure. Even though he's the "Senior Design Engineer" for PSA... What they put up in the vid says it all. It says it all... I put my own highlights in, just so it won't be missed... Time hacks are right there, so everyone else can see it, too... Just click this vid: And look for this, at this time hack... There is ONE "AR-10" buffer spring, and it's the Armalite EA1095 spring. Period. There isn't any other "AR-10 buffer spring" in existence. Ever... I love this.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 Wait I don't have to adjust my gas or mill my lowers for recoil marks when it's properly built... shiiitss! I once said I'd drag a pa10 behind the jeep down a dirt road for a dirt test, they are throwing gas on the fire!! WOW! Have you seen the drunk vid of the dude lighting his farts and burns his ass. yeah can't fix stupid. For the record I have had psa parts recoil marks and @98Z5V set me straight at the fall shoot and I invested my 1.25$ on a new armalite reciever tube , spring and buffer.. I fixed stupid 🤗 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 1 minute ago, sketch said: For the record I have had psa parts recoil marks and @98Z5V set me straight at the fall shoot and I invested my 1.25$ on a new armalite reciever tube , spring and buffer.. I fixed stupid 🤗 YOUR receiver extensions was one of those 8.000" internal depth PSA Carbine extensions, brother - THAT THING WAS WAY FUCKED UP!!!... "PA-10" etched right into the bottom of it, too. Still have pics of it. We got it to run, for the shoot, though - and made the damn thing work, so you could shoot your gun. But I'm not a Gunsmith... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketch Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 (edited) me either fartsmeller 🤪 Edited August 3, 2019 by sketch smart feller shits! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peachey Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 This may be way outta bounds, if so I apologize and will drop the idea, but..... Has anyone ever considered making a "PA10" repair/reliability kit? Surely one could source at cost buffers,springs,gas tubes, ejectors, etc etc. Put em all in a retail kit form and sell it for somewhere in the $100-$150 range. Not saying it would be a large profit, long sustaining business plan, but for someone already into the parts or custom market it might make sense. FYI, I have zero time available to try such a endeavor, so don't expect that kind of effort from myself lolol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armed Eye Doc Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 I watched the video late after a couple of beers. I listened to what he said but was not seeing straight enough to read. 🤪 Watched with both eyes this morning and there were several "AR 10" references written in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot_Scraper Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 Pa-10 Gen 87 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheap-bastidge Posted August 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 the folks over on arf dot com are tripping over each other to get their orders placed..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiggerDave Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 On 8/2/2019 at 8:03 PM, 98Z5V said: I'll bet they finally unfucked it. That's why it's Gen 3. They probably fixed all the issues. At least they got the gas port right. 20" rifle bbl. now shipping with .093 gas port (at least this one). Keep beating them on the recoil system. Maybe it's starting to sink in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, DiggerDave said: At least they got the gas port right. 20" rifle bbl. now shipping with .093 gas port (at least this one). Keep beating them on the recoil system. Maybe it's starting to sink in. Dave, your numbers are off, by what you stated in the other thread. What you measured wasn't a 0.093" gas port. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiggerDave Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 Don't know what you mean by the other thread. I was just assuming mine was too small, too, and had not gotten around to verifying it until today. Well, I'm sober, and just pulled it down to check it. It is 0.093. It came from the factory that size. What ever, just the facts man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98Z5V Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, DiggerDave said: Don't know what you mean by the other thread. I was just assuming mine was too small, too, and had not gotten around to verifying it until today. Well, I'm sober, and just pulled it down to check it. It is 0.093. It came from the factory that size. What ever, just the facts man. Not based on the drill bit you used, where you mentioned this today in another thread. The drill bit that you stated cleared, was not a 0.093" drill bit... And, 0.093" would be on the small side of the range... Edited December 21, 2021 by 98Z5V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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